Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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NilSatisOptimum said:
Medium to long term future is no longer guaranteed

And Brexit and EU is about trade. How do you know Nissan operations were not part of free trade negotiations between EU and Japan I suspect they were along with many others. And that is the whole point of trade deals, the signatures of trade deals will treat each other favourably and those outside (competitors) less so. So were you party to these discussions and subsequent trade deal?
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A free trade deal is to remove barriers .

I was not party to these discussions, but I have a brain, large scale business experience and a trained logical mind.....
 
peteblue said:
A free trade deal is to remove barriers .

I was not party to these discussions, but I have a brain, large scale business experience and a trained logical mind.....
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The UK will be part of that free trade deal for 50 odd days as it stands? Your selling yourself as an expert, there is an irony there somewhere, but I'll let you find that with the logical mind!
 
peteblue said:
It’s a pincer movement. May is saying she will not put a hard border in and is being reasonable. The EU and Germany are telling Varadkar there will be a hard border if there is no deal and therefore putting pressure on him to drop ‘the backstop’. It will all come together now. No one will lose face but the ‘backstop’ will be quietly dropped and a legal definition will be put in place.....job done, Deal done......
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Nope. The EU haven't budged on this and are still full square behind the Irish government, awaiting to hear what exactly May's "alternative arrangements" are.

Mrs May said: "I'm not proposing to persuade people to accept a deal that doesn't contain that insurance policy for the future." So she is going to retain the backstop, as she knows she has to, but will call it something else. The EU will agree to tweaking a few words here and there but the principle of the backstop will remain.

Can't see hardline Brexiteers buying it myself but then again they were only using it as an excuse anyway to scupper her deal. If it isn't the backstop they will find something else which they consider to be unacceptable.

This is all about her keeping her party together and keeping the support of the DUP. If she moved her 'red lines' and agreed to Labour's proposal to stay in the Customs Union this could all be sorted tomorrow. But because she won't do that a no deal Brexit remains the likeliest outcome.
 
Mark O'Silver said:
Nope. The EU haven't budged on this and are still full square behind the Irish government, awaiting to hear what exactly May's "alternative arrangements" are.

Mrs May said: "I'm not proposing to persuade people to accept a deal that doesn't contain that insurance policy for the future." So she is going to retain the backstop, as she knows she has to, but will call it something else. The EU will agree to tweaking a few words here and there but the principle of the backstop will remain.

Can't see hardline Brexiteers buying it myself but then again they were only using it as an excuse anyway to scupper her deal. If it isn't the backstop they will find something else which they consider to be unacceptable.

This is all about her keeping her party together and keeping the support of the DUP. If she moved her 'red lines' and agreed to Labour's proposal to stay in the Customs Union this could all be sorted tomorrow. But because she won't do that a no deal Brexit remains the likeliest outcome.
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Just wait....
 
peteblue said:
So agreements can be amended, just not reopened......I expect something similar with our exit agreement.....
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I expect nothing. The line of incompetent fools is never ending. Grayling, May, Arlene... An extra visit to Brussels on Thursday to seek concessions. Whatever. I couldn’t deal with it. Hundreds of pages meticulously negotiated then they decide they don’t like what they’ve asked for themselves. And always the conflicting messages. Alternative arrangement. Nonexistent technology. Insurance policy...

Again they can’t even come to an agreement about what they don’t want/want. Debate after debate. All purposely vague because one can’t risk angering factions of a party etc... If you were doing all that in negotiations for a private contract, you would be in culpa contrahenda territory.
 
Armel said:
I expect nothing. The line of incompetent fools is never ending. Grayling, May, Arlene... An extra visit to Brussels on Thursday to seek concessions. Whatever. I couldn’t deal with it. Hundreds of pages meticulously negotiated then they decide they don’t like what they’ve asked for themselves. And always the conflicting messages. Alternative arrangement. Nonexistent technology. Insurance policy...

Again they can’t even come to an agreement about what they don’t want/want. Debate after debate. All purposely vague because one can’t risk angering factions of a party etc... If you were doing all that in negotiations for a private contract, you would be in culpa contrahenda territory.
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It was Parliament that didn’t like it. The negotiators apparently did. It’s always worth having a bad cop in negotiations.....
 
Armel said:
I expect nothing. The line of incompetent fools is never ending. Grayling, May, Arlene... An extra visit to Brussels on Thursday to seek concessions. Whatever. I couldn’t deal with it. Hundreds of pages meticulously negotiated then they decide they don’t like what they’ve asked for themselves. And always the conflicting messages. Alternative arrangement. Nonexistent technology. Insurance policy...

Again they can’t even come to an agreement about what they don’t want/want. Debate after debate. All purposely vague because one can’t risk angering factions of a party etc... If you were doing all that in negotiations for a private contract, you would be in culpa contrahenda territory.
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It is to negotiating what Svejk was to soldiering.
 
tsubaki said:
"Bad cop" means that the cop is intimidating, not that he is absolutely rubbish at his job and you could probably steal his badge and cuffs if you wanted.
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I’ll grant you that Parliament are crap at their jobs....but you know that I would happily sack and replace the lot of them....
 
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