Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

You'll have to enlighten me on that one.

iirc, he tried to get them to ditch May in the confidence vote, despite a lifetime of opposition to them.

 

[Joey66]

Sam, you are sawing off the branch you are sitting on,

We do “re-vote” on General Election results.

Every few years.

That is how we get rid of governments we dislike.

Going by your logic, the result of the last GE should be set in stone and we can never be given a chance to change it.

When the facts change, the sensible person likes the opportunity to change his or her opinion.

And by Jove, the facts have changed since the Referendum in 2016.

Now that we are all better informed on how Brexit might look in reality, chaps like your good self deserve the opportunity to revisit your decision and be in a better position to decide which way to vote.

Why is that? we should have left within 6 months...... we should have had a coalition committee of brexiteers from the two largest parties on us leaving in a hard fought negotiated deal with the carrot of 39 billion danging in front of the EU 's eyes......
so remoaners like you still banging on if the blues get beat v southampton on Sat I want a rematch till we win ok

 

[roydo]

I’ve been thinking about how this is going to pan out...

It seems May isn’t going to compromise on any of her red lines and is going with the ‘my deal or no deal’ ultimatum. As labour can’t accept either of those options they’re going to have to come cross party solution with Tory rebels. As the majority in parliament are against no deal then to avoid this they will end up agreeing on a people’s vote. Remain or no deal. Remain will win as most people don’t want no deal. Labour will be painted as the party that destroyed Brexit, Tory’s get away with creating the whole mess. A general election will be called and the Tory’s will win by a massive majority because brexiters feel betrayed by Labour. May feels smug because although she’s stepped down she’s got everything she actually wanted in the end anyway.

Thoughts?

Its as likely as anything else at the moment.

My own view, fwiw, based on nowt other than my eternal optimism, is that a cross party agreement on some sort of semi acceptable deal will get cobbled together, and we then spend 2 years minimum negotiating on details.

 

[Joey66]

Good God. This deserves an A+ rating for its in-depth analysis.

It was a succinct reply to all the drivel he was posting the referendum is over...... Out won..........

 

[roydo]

Why is that? we should have left within 6 months...... we should have had a coalition committee of brexiteers from the two largest parties on us leaving in a hard fought negotiated deal with the carrot of 39 billion danging in front of the EU 's eyes......
so remoaners like you still banging on if the blues get beat v southampton on Sat I want a rematch till we win ok

But we didnt Joe. Like you, I would have preferred a joint approach to all this, but as it is, we are where we are.

 

[tim cahill]

Its as likely as anything else at the moment.

My own view, fwiw, based on nowt other than my eternal optimism, is that a cross party agreement on some sort of semi acceptable deal will get cobbled together, and we then spend 2 years minimum negotiating on details.

I think May’s attitude will prevent that from happening. If she won’t budge on anything then the EU won’t either.

 

[Khalekan]

Why is that? we should have left within 6 months...... we should have had a coalition committee of brexiteers from the two largest parties on us leaving in a hard fought negotiated deal with the carrot of 39 billion danging in front of the EU 's eyes......
so remoaners like you still banging on if the blues get beat v southampton on Sat I want a rematch till we win ok

Joe.....you are rambling incoherenty.

Again.

 

[Joey66]

Its as likely as anything else at the moment.

My own view, fwiw, based on nowt other than my eternal optimism, is that a cross party agreement on some sort of semi acceptable deal will get cobbled together, and we then spend 2 years minimum negotiating on details.

The best thing I heard so far and John bercow stopped the amendment was that the UK scrapped the backstop and made more legal negotiations set out in agreement with the EU on the trade deal the UK would get in the transition period , and beyond for both sides - Bercow stopped the amendment what a surprise.......

 

[roydo]

Out won.

Won what?

 

[tsubaki]

I’ve been thinking about how this is going to pan out...

It seems May isn’t going to compromise on any of her red lines and is going with the ‘my deal or no deal’ ultimatum. As labour can’t accept either of those options they’re going to have to come cross party solution with Tory rebels. As the majority in parliament are against no deal then to avoid this they will end up agreeing on a people’s vote. Remain or no deal. Remain will win as most people don’t want no deal. Labour will be painted as the party that destroyed Brexit, Tory’s get away with creating the whole mess. A general election will be called and the Tory’s will win by a massive majority because brexiters feel betrayed by Labour. May feels smug because although she’s stepped down she’s got everything she actually wanted in the end anyway.

Thoughts?

I doubt Labour Brexiters will do the damage; it might be a landslide but that is because the Tory vote will have held up and the remainers (of which there are many on here) will switch to the Lib Dems / Greens / SNP as a way of blaming Labour; this splitting of the anti-Tory vote is after all the common denominator behind almost every Tory election victory (and certainly every Tory landslide) since the First World War.

 

[Joey66]

Joe.....you are rambling incoherent.

Again.

Don't like hard fact do you me rambling - posters are writing war and peace in post today on her blah blah blah.......
oh by the way incoherenty. = incoherently.....lol

 

[roydo]

I think May’s attitude will prevent that from happening. If she won’t budge on anything then the EU won’t either.

I think that with things now getting serious, May will have a few polite words in her ear from the infamous grey suits that operate in the shadows of parliament.

 

[Joey66]

Won what?

to leave the EU not a deal, not a 2nd referendum just a one of lifetime vote - to leave the EU that is what was on the ballot paper

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It was a succinct reply to all the drivel he was posting the referendum is over...... Out won..........

He was responding directly to a comment I'd made that I was in Brussels next week for work. It's not all about you Joe.

 

[Joey66]

But we didnt Joe. Like you, I would have preferred a joint approach to all this, but as it is, we are where we are.

This 2nd referendum thing is a poor way to dodge a democratic vote they asked the people in 2016 they got told to get it done....