Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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You can have all the rational discussions in the world about leave or remain but the fact remains that a significant portion of the people who voted leave, do not understand the relevant economic and political consequences to this move. I'm not saying that democracy hasn't spoken or that their vote is wrong, people have different values and considerations which they base their vote on and always will do.

Forgetting for a moment the overwhelmingly negative economic and political consequences that I personally see, the problem facing us right now is there appears to be no strategy on what to do next as you mention in your post, and the leaders of the leave campaign are already going back on the things they campaigned on. There is a very high chance freedom of movement is going to need to be kept in trade concessions and I worry about the position the Leave leaders are in after basing the Leave campaign around an anti immigration stance. Interesting times ahead and I fear for what happens when the realisation hits.

Unless of course, their vote wasn't actually about getting rid of immigrants?
Whether we now renegotiate our existing terms of membership OR actually invoke Article 50, free movement is a dead policy walking. There is no chance of it being kept.
 
I am not laughing, I just don't understand why you'd want out. All of the fear mongering about becoming the United States of Europe just didn't make any sense to me...has it felt like you were just a state the US of E for the last 30 years?

Because a large number of people in the UK believe immigrants are the sole cause of all problems in the country

Tell them in a round about way that you will stop it and shut the boarders and hey presto an out vote
 
Serious question now

I agree with everything there, so surely there is a case for another referendum given there entire mandate was waffle, could that happen?

There is but unfortunately I doubt there will be. As Alex Salmond said today on QT the democratic decision must stand even if there were lies told. In his words, lies are told before every election.
 
It's quite funny looking at Twitter. All the young, liberal left in outrage at the resignation - whereas 90% of the population at home and not being keyboard warriors will be looking on and thinking "about bloody time".

People who rely on social media for sentiment need their heads checking; it's so out of tune with popular opinion it's scary.
 
Well that's slightly different to what's been said because of course it's never going to be at zero

A lot of people were sold on the idea of zero immigration from the EU should we exit the EU, I won't pretend to say a politician said this either, but a lot of people you speak to cited it as a reason. Just take a look at what people like Channel 4 News and Sky News are reporting, hate crimes towards people from European Countries, saying things like "Shouldn't you be going home":



Not quite sure it was never explained properly by anyone.

Just Farage and the likes screaming "Take back control of our borders"
 
There is but unfortunately I doubt there will be. As Alex Salmond said today on QT the democratic decision must stand even if there were lies told. In his words, lies are told before every election.

This isn't an election though

It's not like we can change our minds 4 years down the line
 
There is but unfortunately I doubt there will be. As Alex Salmond said today on QT the democratic decision must stand even if there were lies told. In his words, lies are told before every election.

Agree, but don't think there's precedent for the scale of the lies in a referendum. The decision isn't something we can kick out every five years, so the information should be held to a higher standard in my view.

And given almost the entirety of the Leave argument was absolute wham, then I wouldn't be surprised if another one is called. Only way it happens is if the Tories rebel against Johnson when he comes to power and tries to implement Brexit.
 
I am not laughing, I just don't understand why you'd want out. All of the fear mongering about becoming the United States of Europe just didn't make any sense to me...has it felt like you were just a state the US of E for the last 30 years?
Partially. Look at our economic and foreign policy. Despite what people think we do make our own.
 
Nobody said immigration would be zero but a move to the Aussie model.

Sorry, our new overlord wants free trade, not Aussie style model.

"we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership"
 
A lot of people were sold on the idea of zero immigration from the EU should we exit the EU, I won't pretend to say a politician said this either, but a lot of people you speak to cited it as a reason. Just take a look at what people like Channel 4 News and Sky News are reporting, hate crimes towards people from European Countries, saying things like "Shouldn't you be going home":



Not quite sure it was never explained properly by anyone.

Just Farage and the likes screaming "Take back control of our borders"

Pathetic scaremongering. I like how they used Twitter posts to back up their argument. I mean people would never tell a few porkies in the Internet right?
 
Sorry, our new overlord wants free trade, not Aussie style model.

"we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership"

... and we can't have free trade and partnership with the EU without agreeing to the free movement of people. Which if people were paying attention and not being stupid in the build up to the referendum, they would have known this.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe--and-alw/

I particularly like;

we are much better together in forging a new and better relationship with the EU – based on free trade and partnership


You've all been had.

Did you miss the bit where he states "the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry"?

You seem to be interpreting this one article as some sort of U-turn from Brexit. I think it's wishful thinking on your part. The article you refer to is totally pro-leave, to the point that he talks about what he thinks the UK will be like outside of the EU.
 
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