Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Armaghtoffee said:
Yes.

He referred to them in parliament and publicly concurred with their view. Just like May he has demonstrated that power and personal ambition is more important than previously long held views.
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He concurred with their view that May’s deal was bad for NI?

I’m pretty sure he’s not contradicting himself there.
 
tim cahill said:
She’s said today that she won’t budge on abolishing ‘free movement’. Which means a customs union is impossible and there’s no room to negotiate further with the EU. As far as she’s concerned it’s basically still her deal or no deal. She simply needs to be removed as PM as she can’t seem to grasp that no one wants her deal.
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Then the offer of parliament wide consultation is failed before it begins, with Corbyn involved or not. ERG or her remainers, they will bring her down one way or the other!
 
Harryflashman said:
Might be Tricky for a couple of years is easy to write on an Internet forum though isn’t it , it’s what that means in reality . What do you think it means , does it mean prices going up , the economy taking a hit , people losing their jobs or whatever ? Because in reality that’s people’s lives their , maybe yours or those close to you .
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I would not be very happy. After 8 years of negative/low % equity finally for the last few I've at least been able to say I have at least got x amount in the positive side and been able to switch mortgage deals to take advantage of better rates to then be plunged back into it is a horrible thought.

And I suppose I would only be concerned of the above if I get to keep my job. But it is all sound, can't really blame the half* of the population that wanted a bit of a buzz throwing it all in on the craps table.

*when I say half probably > 60% of them are well insulated from the shock of it all and have managed to con the other part that it will be great.
 
tim cahill said:
She’s said today that she won’t budge on abolishing ‘free movement’. Which means a customs union is impossible and there’s no room to negotiate further with the EU. As far as she’s concerned it’s basically still her deal or no deal. She simply needs to be removed as PM as she can’t seem to grasp that no one wants her deal.
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But it wasn't about migration (or something)
 
tim cahill said:
He concurred with their view that May’s deal was bad for NI?

I’m pretty sure he’s not contradicting himself there.
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No kind of Brexit will be anything but detrimental to NI mate.

What he did was parrot the DUP’s constitutional position re NI despite being a long standing friend of Republicans. Just google the links if you aren’t aware of this.

His about turn was pretty fundamental and the reason for it was to try and further destabilise May with a view to getting himself a turn at playing PM.

In my humble opinion :)
 
tim cahill said:
He concurred with their view that May’s deal was bad for NI?

I’m pretty sure he’s not contradicting himself there.
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The vast majority of people in NI and the entirety of business organisations, including the Ulster Farmers Union a.k.a The Agricultural Wing of the DUP, plus the trade unions over there all thought the deal was great for NI.

Because it was.

It was win/win....stay in the EU whilst remaining in the UK.

Problem over the English imposed border in Ireland solved.

But Corbyn, a long standing advocate of a United Ireland and leader of a political party whuch refuses to organise in NI because the believe in the same goal for Ireland, chose to play the Orange Card himself.

He adopted the DUP rhetoric of “no border down the Irish Sea” and declared the deal “bad for NI” in a forlorn and opportunistic attempt to get the DUP onside when he launched this Vote of Confidence thingy, not because he believed it to be true.....but because he thought it might suit his agenda.

The DUP told him to do one.

In short, Corbyn bought into, or more likely compromised his principles by pretending to buy into, the fiction that Northern Ireland is no different from Northern England.

It most decidedly is.....a cursory glance at the electoral map of the province is evidence of that.....and NI needs a much different form of Brexit than Great Britain does.

The EU and indeed May were prepared to let it have that different type. of Brexit.....but Corbyn made common cause with renegade Tories and bigoted Ulster folk to stymie it and leave NI in limbo.

And tonight his erstwhile fellow travellers will put him back in his box.

To the dismay of this particular lifelong Labour man and Union activust.
 
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