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[Joey66]

You didn't read it did you Joe?

Not if it's a Google from you no deffo no.........
To me vocationial city & guilds on the job training with supervision qualifications too is skill at the coal face - far better than bookworms who want to walk into management.....
like cream I rose to the top never forgetting my roots of my apprentice days .......

 

[peteblue]

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/816281518818814423/pdf/2019-WDR-Report.pdf

Report on skills for work, basically says universities are great as we will have multiple careers in our lives, and universities provide skills that are transferable between careers. Vocational training, by contrast, does not. @Joey66

There was quite a lot of obvious comments and facts in the report. There is no doubt that training people to think will help them to undertake many non vocational or non physical occupations. What struck me the most though was a small snippet about how we learn or encouragement to learn, when it mentioned the use of texts to phones improved results from certain individuals. Many people cannot ‘learn’ through a classic university approach and require a different vehicle in order to learn. That doesn’t however diminish or demean the intelligence they possess, merely that they are different...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not if it's a Google from you no deffo no.........
To me vocationial city & guilds on the job training with supervision qualifications too is skill at the coal face - far better than bookworms who want to walk into management.....
like cream I rose to the top never forgetting my roots of my apprentice days .......

No, I didn't write it Joe, it was from the World Bank. Out of interest, in your vocational course, did they teach you to dismiss things you haven't seen or read?

There was quite a lot of obvious comments and facts in the report. There is no doubt that training people to think will help them to undertake many non vocational or non physical occupations. What struck me the most though was a small snippet about how we learn or encouragement to learn, when it mentioned the use of texts to phones improved results from certain individuals. Many people cannot ‘learn’ through a classic university approach and require a different vehicle in order to learn. That doesn’t however diminish or demean the intelligence they possess, merely that they are different...

No, it doesn't dismiss non-university education, but it does say that vocational training tends to be limited in scope to one profession. That's great if you can expect to spend your entire working life in that one profession, but there's growing evidence that this is less and less likely, hence why we perhaps have such difficulty in retraining people to do another thing if their original livelihood is disrupted by whatever means.

 

[Joey66]

No, I didn't write it Joe, it was from the World Bank. Out of interest, in your vocational course, did they teach you to dismiss things you haven't seen or read?



No, it doesn't dismiss non-university education, but it does say that vocational training tends to be limited in scope to one profession. That's great if you can expect to spend your entire working life in that one profession, but there's growing evidence that this is less and less likely, hence why we perhaps have such difficulty in retraining people to do another thing if their original livelihood is disrupted by whatever means.

Yes they did my mentor the greatest plantsman I ever had the pleasure to learn off. He used to say -I don't like bookworms you learn off me - get your City and Guilds, and you will learn more of me stating by learning the botanical name of a plant each day and the family it belonged too - I will not give you another name until you can identify the plant the next day Genus, species, and botanical link - he taught me how to superviose men too by placing me in charge of 10 student gardeners one summer - a remarkable man - very grateful to him still in contact he is 88 years old.....
He sent OND, HND, workers stright form college out of his nursery on to a lawn mower -why bookworms no work experience - I was very fortunate to be under his wing .... starting at the bottom and rising to the top with moving around the country for promotions.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Some charming leave voters.

 

[neil999]

Yes they did my mentor the greatest plantsman I ever had the pleasure to learn off. He used to say -I don't like bookworms you learn off me - get your City and Guilds, and you will learn more of me stating by learning the botanical name of a plant each day and the family it belonged too - I will not give you another name until you can identify the plant the next day Genus, species, and botanical link - he taught me how to superviose men too by placing me in charge of 10 student gardeners one summer - a remarkable man - very grateful to him still in contact he is 88 years old.....
He sent OND, HND, workers stright form college out of his nursery on to a lawn mower -why bookworms no work experience - I was very fortunate to be under his wing .... starting at the bottom and rising to the top with moving around the country for promotions.......

john trowelvolta?



@COYBL25 need some translation here

 

[peteblue]

No, it doesn't dismiss non-university education, but it does say that vocational training tends to be limited in scope to one profession. That's great if you can expect to spend your entire working life in that one profession, but there's growing evidence that this is less and less likely, hence why we perhaps have such difficulty in retraining people to do another thing if their original livelihood is disrupted by whatever means.

Of course, the clue is in the word Vocational. I was actually agreeing with you regarding jobs requiring intelligence and reasoning. But my comment was really querying as to what the best form or media for ‘learning’ would be for people who may not take to a classic academic environment.....

 

[peteblue]

Some charming leave voters.

I think it’s a bit rich having Soubry saying “this is what’s happened to our country” when she is doing absolutely everything she can to overturn a democratic vote and undermine our political system...

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

john trowelvolta?



@COYBL25 need some translation here

Robert, co-band member of the greatest pageman.

 

[zzr45]

Yes they did my mentor the greatest plantsman I ever had the pleasure to learn off. He used to say -I don't like bookworms you learn off me - get your City and Guilds, and you will learn more of me stating by learning the botanical name of a plant each day and the family it belonged too - I will not give you another name until you can identify the plant the next day Genus, species, and botanical link - he taught me how to superviose men too by placing me in charge of 10 student gardeners one summer - a remarkable man - very grateful to him still in contact he is 88 years old.....
He sent OND, HND, workers stright form college out of his nursery on to a lawn mower -why bookworms no work experience - I was very fortunate to be under his wing .... starting at the bottom and rising to the top with moving around the country for promotions.......

So he told you that he didn't like people that had studied, but then actually told you to study for C&G? He then taught you about plants (with the entire situation sounding a bit Yewtreey) and put you in charge of a bunch of people mowing lawns?

I mean, it hardly sounds ground breaking. You were an apprentice gardener that watched over people doing casual work in the summer. I did the same working at the same time as being at University, albeit not as a gardener.

 

[peteblue]

So he told you that he didn't like people that had studied, but then actually told you to study for C&G? He then taught you about plants (with the entire situation sounding a bit Yewtreey) and put you in charge of a bunch of people mowing lawns?

I mean, it hardly sounds ground breaking. You were an apprentice gardener that watched over people doing casual work in the summer. I did the same working at the same time as being at University, albeit not as a gardener.

Have you ever thought of using your university education to try and envisage or understand the point that Joey and indeed his mentor were making.....

 

[orchard]

So he told you that he didn't like people that had studied, but then actually told you to study for C&G? He then taught you about plants (with the entire situation sounding a bit Yewtreey) and put you in charge of a bunch of people mowing lawns?

I mean, it hardly sounds ground breaking. You were an apprentice gardener that watched over people doing casual work in the summer. I did the same working at the same time as being at University, albeit not as a gardener.

Wittgenstein was a gardener btw

 

[orchard]

Have you ever thought of using your university education to try and envisage or understand the point that Joey and indeed his mentor were making.....

I think his primary teacher may have got that through to him.

 

[Joey66]

So he told you that he didn't like people that had studied, but then actually told you to study for C&G? He then taught you about plants (with the entire situation sounding a bit Yewtreey) and put you in charge of a bunch of people mowing lawns?

I mean, it hardly sounds ground breaking. You were an apprentice gardener that watched over people doing casual work in the summer. I did the same working at the same time as being at University, albeit not as a gardener.

Totally incorrect anyone can push a lawn mower -
It was groundbreaking for me to supervise 10 young lads in another part of the nursery aged 21 being observed on the work I got out of them and the commeraddy I built up in team work .... He told me if you read my original post get your City & Guilds but learn off me in fact he told me from day one ever never say it should be done the college way , but his way -he was spot on the London City and Guilds 1 & 2 a 4 year course day release and block release was 90% theory.
I was in the same place as Roy Lancaster in Preston Myerscough Horticultural college - I was asked to do a HND - I rightly turned it down as I found out in future interviews they wanted to know what I could propagate my many qualifications by then were just a nod of approval not a big chat or a slap on the back as well done.. in fact one interview I had a plant identification test before my interview 30 out of 30 I scored knew them off by heart & thier families top of my class in Botany - it was all about my experience working under the best tree , and shrub plant propagator I had ever seen - I went on to train many apprentices in that manner as I got promoted - The person I was originally tutored off his colleague of that era became Liverpool Parks superintendent, it never bothered him, because I probably knew he was better than him practically - I ask you this who do you want to landscape your garden a person like me if I was young and fit enough - or a bookworm........
The guy who did get the Liverpool parks superintendent's job was a great horticulturist as he was trained by my boss.........
Firms tried to headhunt him - that happened to me later on in life........ gaining the IOH letters after my name which I rarely mentioned....
I am now retired -so as the saying goes don't try to tell your granddad how to suck eggs......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course, the clue is in the word Vocational. I was actually agreeing with you regarding jobs requiring intelligence and reasoning. But my comment was really querying as to what the best form or media for ‘learning’ would be for people who may not take to a classic academic environment.....

It's very personal I would suggest, and certainly not confined to a traditional class environment. Indeed, many would argue that if you're doing something you love, then you don't need to find 'learning' as it's something that comes naturally every day.