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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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I see Lord Lilley will be writing to all MP’s debunking the project fear no deal myths.....

“Lord Lilley’s 30 truths on leaving the EU under WTO terms are:
1: It will allow the UK to cash in, not crash out - the UK will not have to pay the £39billion divorce bill.
2: It avoids the corrosive uncertainty which the transition period would bring.
3: The UK will be able to use administrative measures to solve Irish border issue, without the need for a backstop.
4: After resolving the Irish border issue, the UK as a whole will be able to enter a Canada +++ style free trade deal, such as the one suggested by Donald Tusk.
5: WTO is a safe haven, not a hard option. Six of the EU’s top 10 trading partners trade under WTO rules.
6: UK exports to countries trading on WTO terms have grown 3 times faster than to the Single Market.
7: EU tariffs on exports from the UK would amount to less than half the UK’s current net contribution to the EU budget.
8: The UK is already a WTO member so would not need to rejoin it.
9: We can start to trade on the new tariff schedules as soon as we leave, without waiting for agreement from other WTO members.
10: The UK is making good progress in replicating the EU’s most important preferential trade arrangements - Switzerland has already agreed to carry over existing preferences.
11: The UK could take up Japan’s invitation to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
12: Bilateral trade deals do not have to take a long time to renegotiate. The average renegotiation time is 28 months.
13:“Micro” trade agreements will not be a big issue.
14: Scares about delays to imports are ‘ludicrous’, because Britain will control its borders.
15: There will be no medicine shortages.
16: There will be no food shortages.
17: Manufacturing supply chains and other goods deliveries will not be significantly affected.
18: The UK will not run out of clean water.
19: HMRC’s computer systems will be able to handle extra customs declarations, even if its new system is not fully online.
20: France is determined to prevent delays at Calais for fear of losing trade to Belgian and Dutch port.
21: A new traffic routing system will prevent serious delays to incoming lorries.
22: Planes will continue to fly to and from the EU.
23: Planes will continue to fly to the US and elsewhere.
24: Aircraft manufacturers will still be able to export parts, such as Airbus wings, despite claims to the contrary.
25: British haulage companies will still be able to operate between the UK and the EU.
26: Trade in animals, plants and food will continue after Brexit.
27: UK citizens will not face high mobile phone roaming charges when travelling to the EU.
28: UK car manufacturers have obtained approvals to sell their models to the EU.
29: New VAT rules will not affect the cash flow of importers.
30: British opera singers, musicians and other performers will still be able to tour the EU.”
 
peteblue said:
I see Lord Lilley will be writing to all MP’s debunking the project fear no deal myths.....

“Lord Lilley’s 30 truths on leaving the EU under WTO terms are:
1: It will allow the UK to cash in, not crash out - the UK will not have to pay the £39billion divorce bill.
2: It avoids the corrosive uncertainty which the transition period would bring.
3: The UK will be able to use administrative measures to solve Irish border issue, without the need for a backstop.
4: After resolving the Irish border issue, the UK as a whole will be able to enter a Canada +++ style free trade deal, such as the one suggested by Donald Tusk.
5: WTO is a safe haven, not a hard option. Six of the EU’s top 10 trading partners trade under WTO rules.
6: UK exports to countries trading on WTO terms have grown 3 times faster than to the Single Market.
7: EU tariffs on exports from the UK would amount to less than half the UK’s current net contribution to the EU budget.
8: The UK is already a WTO member so would not need to rejoin it.
9: We can start to trade on the new tariff schedules as soon as we leave, without waiting for agreement from other WTO members.
10: The UK is making good progress in replicating the EU’s most important preferential trade arrangements - Switzerland has already agreed to carry over existing preferences.
11: The UK could take up Japan’s invitation to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
12: Bilateral trade deals do not have to take a long time to renegotiate. The average renegotiation time is 28 months.
13:“Micro” trade agreements will not be a big issue.
14: Scares about delays to imports are ‘ludicrous’, because Britain will control its borders.
15: There will be no medicine shortages.
16: There will be no food shortages.
17: Manufacturing supply chains and other goods deliveries will not be significantly affected.
18: The UK will not run out of clean water.
19: HMRC’s computer systems will be able to handle extra customs declarations, even if its new system is not fully online.
20: France is determined to prevent delays at Calais for fear of losing trade to Belgian and Dutch port.
21: A new traffic routing system will prevent serious delays to incoming lorries.
22: Planes will continue to fly to and from the EU.
23: Planes will continue to fly to the US and elsewhere.
24: Aircraft manufacturers will still be able to export parts, such as Airbus wings, despite claims to the contrary.
25: British haulage companies will still be able to operate between the UK and the EU.
26: Trade in animals, plants and food will continue after Brexit.
27: UK citizens will not face high mobile phone roaming charges when travelling to the EU.
28: UK car manufacturers have obtained approvals to sell their models to the EU.
29: New VAT rules will not affect the cash flow of importers.
30: British opera singers, musicians and other performers will still be able to tour the EU.”
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Well if he can prove any of that, then sound. Because it looks like a wish list in that format.
 
peteblue said:
It’s no different to the lists of everything that will go wrong with no deal.........if anyone can prove any of that etc etc.....
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Not really mate. From day 1, I have said I voted stay cos I didnt have a clue what leaving would entail, and the EU aint that terrible, on balance.

Lilley has a list of 30 things that will deffo happen. So let him prove it, cos otherwise its a wish list. For example, saying there will be no problems with the supply line post leaving; he has that agreed with the EU has he? If so, perhaps he should let BMW and Nissan know.
 
peteblue said:
It’s no different to the lists of everything that will go wrong with no deal.........if anyone can prove any of that etc etc.....
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Just like all the people who have done that and you've ignored it. What's the point in actually trying anymore? Just get on with it.
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roydo said:
Not really mate. From day 1, I have said I voted stay cos I didnt have a clue what leaving would entail, and the EU aint that terrible, on balance.

Lilley has a list of 30 things that will deffo happen. So let him prove it, cos otherwise its a wish list. For example, saying there will be no problems with the supply line post leaving; he has that agreed with the EU has he? If so, perhaps he should let BMW and Nissan know.
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In the video I shared a few posts back, Dominic Cummings (who ran the leave campaign) basically says that hardly any of the British public have a clue about the EU, hence why he ensured that the leave campaign focused on vague soundbites rather than anything substantial, simply because the public wouldn't have got it if they had. It's lauded as some amazing democratic exercise, yet even those campaigning admit that the electorate didn't have a bloody clue about the thing they were voting on.
 
peteblue said:
I see Lord Lilley will be writing to all MP’s debunking the project fear no deal myths.....

“Lord Lilley’s 30 truths on leaving the EU under WTO terms are:
1: It will allow the UK to cash in, not crash out - the UK will not have to pay the £39billion divorce bill.
2: It avoids the corrosive uncertainty which the transition period would bring.
3: The UK will be able to use administrative measures to solve Irish border issue, without the need for a backstop.
4: After resolving the Irish border issue, the UK as a whole will be able to enter a Canada +++ style free trade deal, such as the one suggested by Donald Tusk.
5: WTO is a safe haven, not a hard option. Six of the EU’s top 10 trading partners trade under WTO rules.
6: UK exports to countries trading on WTO terms have grown 3 times faster than to the Single Market.
7: EU tariffs on exports from the UK would amount to less than half the UK’s current net contribution to the EU budget.
8: The UK is already a WTO member so would not need to rejoin it.
9: We can start to trade on the new tariff schedules as soon as we leave, without waiting for agreement from other WTO members.
10: The UK is making good progress in replicating the EU’s most important preferential trade arrangements - Switzerland has already agreed to carry over existing preferences.
11: The UK could take up Japan’s invitation to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
12: Bilateral trade deals do not have to take a long time to renegotiate. The average renegotiation time is 28 months.
13:“Micro” trade agreements will not be a big issue.
14: Scares about delays to imports are ‘ludicrous’, because Britain will control its borders.
15: There will be no medicine shortages.
16: There will be no food shortages.
17: Manufacturing supply chains and other goods deliveries will not be significantly affected.
18: The UK will not run out of clean water.
19: HMRC’s computer systems will be able to handle extra customs declarations, even if its new system is not fully online.
20: France is determined to prevent delays at Calais for fear of losing trade to Belgian and Dutch port.
21: A new traffic routing system will prevent serious delays to incoming lorries.
22: Planes will continue to fly to and from the EU.
23: Planes will continue to fly to the US and elsewhere.
24: Aircraft manufacturers will still be able to export parts, such as Airbus wings, despite claims to the contrary.
25: British haulage companies will still be able to operate between the UK and the EU.
26: Trade in animals, plants and food will continue after Brexit.
27: UK citizens will not face high mobile phone roaming charges when travelling to the EU.
28: UK car manufacturers have obtained approvals to sell their models to the EU.
29: New VAT rules will not affect the cash flow of importers.
30: British opera singers, musicians and other performers will still be able to tour the EU.”
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#3 renders the whole post useless
 
Bruce Wayne said:
In the video I shared a few posts back, Dominic Cummings (who ran the leave campaign) basically says that hardly any of the British public have a clue about the EU, hence why he ensured that the leave campaign focused on vague soundbites rather than anything substantial, simply because the public wouldn't have got it if they had. It's lauded as some amazing democratic exercise, yet even those campaigning admit that the electorate didn't have a bloody clue about the thing they were voting on.
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Looking forward to watching Brexit: The Uncivil War on Monday (channel 4). Should be eye opening.
 
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