Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Incorrect.The choices were remain or leave,nothing was mentioned about a deal as i suspect that Mr Cameron assumed we would be remaining.The vote was given to the people of the country and they choose leave.If we live in a democratic country the outcome of the vote must be upheld,it has to be for the sake of democracy.I am not suggesting that we cannot rejoin at some point if in the future that were the wishes of the majority

Nah!

If the voters in the original referendum were faced with the details in the current leave plan then the outcome would have been very different.

Fact is the original referendum was poorly designed and implemented.

But go ahead knock yourself out if you want our country on its knees in 2-3 years time just for the sake of leaving the EU. Almost like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Do yourself a favour and look at the impact on our economy and future impact on growth, jobs, our NHS and education that leaving the EU will have.

But leave means leave eh? Sure when there’s no one picking crops in our fields and there’s no nurses to look after the sick and there’s no lorries delivering food to the supermarkets and the financial service industry has upped sticks and moved to Amsterdam sending our economy on a downward spiral.

Sure leave means leave FFS!

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Woolverhampton_Blue said:
We should have another democratic vote until we get the result I want. Too much has happened or come to light since the last one for it to be taken at face value.

Fixed for you...

Given Britain’s history for Gerrymandering, do you not get any sense of moral responsibility here at all?

 

[Joey66]

Nah!

If the voters in the original referendum were faced with the details in the current leave plan then the outcome would have been very different.

Fact is the original referendum was poorly designed and implemented.

But go ahead knock yourself out if you want our country on its knees in 2-3 years time just for the sake of leaving the EU. Almost like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Do yourself a favour and look at the impact on our economy and future impact on growth, jobs, our NHS and education that leaving the EU will have.

But leave means leave eh? Sure when there’s no one picking crops in our fields and there’s no nurses to look after the sick and there’s no lorries delivering food to the supermarkets and the financial service industry has upped sticks and moved to Amsterdam sending our economy on a downward spiral.

Sure leave means leave FFS!

If we dared to vote Leave in 2016 - the Remain forecasters apart from the £ dropping, every Remain expert, and economist got it wrong by a mile ......
So you want us to believe in project fear TWO?.........

 

[zzr45]

If we dared to vote Leave in 2016 - the Remain forecasters apart from the £ dropping, every Remain expert, and economist got it wrong by a mile ......
So you want us to believe in project fear TWO?.........

We haven’t fully left yet Joey. The £ has plummeted and growth has slowed. There’s been anecdotal evidence in this thread of people losing their jobs due to Brexit.

But yeah, Project Fear

 

[magicjuan]

Nah!

If the voters in the original referendum were faced with the details in the current leave plan then the outcome would have been very different.

Fact is the original referendum was poorly designed and implemented.

But go ahead knock yourself out if you want our country on its knees in 2-3 years time just for the sake of leaving the EU. Almost like cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Do yourself a favour and look at the impact on our economy and future impact on growth, jobs, our NHS and education that leaving the EU will have.

But leave means leave eh? Sure when there’s no one picking crops in our fields and there’s no nurses to look after the sick and there’s no lorries delivering food to the supermarkets and the financial service industry has upped sticks and moved to Amsterdam sending our economy on a downward spiral.

Sure leave means leave FFS!

Take a breath.

Ba k in the early days of globalism, corporations decided to play countries off against each other, give us tax breaks or we'll go where they will, it happened all over Europe and still does. This was a major shift in economic control and this influenced the EEC becoming the EU post Maastricht. It was blackmail.
Jump back a decade or so earlier to the previous referendum and the option to remain in a trading block. People voted to stay but were sold a pup. Those people are the older demographic that voted to leave.
The obfuscation by some over the 'democratic' nature of the brexit referendum is a delaying tactic because that demographic will change. So, what if there is another referendum and the vote is still to leave? There is equal belligerence on both sides, a rigidity and inflexibility that muddies the waters, deliberately, meaning there is no answer. Unless we change the political system of our own country. That has to happen first, because leave or not the people at the bottom will pay the price.

 

[magicjuan]

We haven’t fully left yet Joey. The £ has plummeted and growth has slowed. There’s been anecdotal evidence in this thread of people losing their jobs due to Brexit.

But yeah, Project Fear

There's a danger that normal wasteage, or opportunities of 'trimming' are passed off as consequences of a looming brexit, however, the current M.O. of most capitalists is still disaster capitalism, using 'events' as a cover and opportunity to increase 'profitability'.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Fixed for you...

Regardless of what I want personally, my original statement still stands.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Fixed for you...

That is where you are 100% wrong. In my case anyhow. If leave win a 2nd vote, fair play to them, we will be out the day after and no one can change it.

From my own point of view, something like this requires checking because it is now obvious to everyone the milk and honey version of leaving has turned to crap. If I was on the leave side I would still want a 2nd referendum on what the actual terms are. At the moment we could be leaving having paid 39 billion to start with (but we will have to keep on paying as normal later) to be in the common market with the same issues we have now, but with no say what goes on. I'm imagining that is not what leave voters thought would happen?

It deserves to be put before the country again, so no one has an excuse 'they didn't know what they were voting for'. And that works from both sides.

Just to say in case you think I am just a peoples vote remoaner, I would actually go much further. I would like the whole thing halted with government telling that this can't be actioned at the moment, which is the truth. Until the Ireland issue is resolved we can't leave the EU is the simple fact that many can't seem to get their heads around.

 

[Li Tie]

I'm looking forward to the overturning of the result and all the gammons who voted leave purely because they're racist are left frothing at the mouth.

 

[Joey66]

We haven’t fully left yet Joey. The £ has plummeted and growth has slowed. There’s been anecdotal evidence in this thread of people losing their jobs due to Brexit.

But yeah, Project Fear

Jobs up, growth up exports up - we were forecast Armageddon, 800,000 job losses, growth down - the very same people who are now saying what 98 percent of what all the other country's trade in WTO rules is somehow bad for us - yes if we crash out without preparing but a 12 month transition period from the EU saves us a part of 39 billion euros ......

 

[Joey66]

I'm looking forward to the overturning of the result and all the gammons who voted leave purely because they're racist are left frothing at the mouth.

Or turkeys like you wanting to stay with the status quo.......

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Take a breath.

Ba k in the early days of globalism, corporations decided to play countries off against each other, give us tax breaks or we'll go where they will, it happened all over Europe and still does. This was a major shift in economic control and this influenced the EEC becoming the EU post Maastricht. It was blackmail.
Jump back a decade or so earlier to the previous referendum and the option to remain in a trading block. People voted to stay but were sold a pup. Those people are the older demographic that voted to leave.
The obfuscation by some over the 'democratic' nature of the brexit referendum is a delaying tactic because that demographic will change. So, what if there is another referendum and the vote is still to leave? There is equal belligerence on both sides, a rigidity and inflexibility that muddies the waters, deliberately, meaning there is no answer. Unless we change the political system of our own country. That has to happen first, because leave or not the people at the bottom will pay the price.

Call globalisation what you will but the truth is our economy is very different to what it was in the late 70’s and early 80’s.

We no longer have a large scale manufacturing industry, our economy is very much dependent on these global companies and of course like it or not, we are intrinsically dependent on the financial services industry to keep our economy afloat.

If we are forced into a no deal Brexit then these global companies will not think twice about moving UK operations into another country in order to protect their supply chains and active markets. The financial services industry has already started to shift jobs and operations out of the city of London and if we leave with no deal then this trickle will become a flood.

Yes I take your point that the world has changed since the last EEC referendum and that it will probably change again, we will reinvent our economy, we will attract those global companies back to our shores again but at what cost?

This will take years, possibly 10 - 15. Meantime we are going to see a massive hit to our economy and jobs and careers will be lost with as you say the poor people taking the brunt of this.

So let’s take a breath as you said and put it back to the people to say once and for all now we know all the facts and implications to decide if we should leave if so under what terms?

That’s my point - the government have screwed up. So let the people sort it out.

 

[Joey66]

Call globalisation what you will but the truth is our economy is very different to what it was in the late 70’s and early 80’s.

We no longer have a large scale manufacturing industry, our economy is very much dependent on these global companies and of course like it or not, we are intrinsically dependent on the financial services industry to keep our economy afloat.

If we are forced into a no deal Brexit then these global companies will not think twice about moving UK operations into another country in order to protect their supply chains and active markets. The financial services industry has already started to shift jobs and operations out of the city of London and if we leave with no deal then this trickle will become a flood.

Yes I take your point that the world has changed since the last EEC referendum and that it will probably change again, we will reinvent our economy, we will attract those global companies back to our shores again but at what cost?

This will take years, possibly 10 - 15. Meantime we are going to see a massive hit to our economy and jobs and careers will be lost with as you say the poor people taking the brunt of this.

So let’s take a breath as you said and put it back to the people to say once and for all now we know all the facts and implications to decide if we should leave if so under what terms?

That’s my point - the government have screwed up. So let the people sort it out.

So if the Out vote is greater this time you still have the same arithmetic of MPs in the HOC......
It would take 12 months of argument of what questions would be on the ballot paper.....

 

[roydo]

So if the Out vote is greater this time you still have the same arithmetic of MPs in the HOC......
It would take 12 months of argument of what questions would be on the ballot paper.....

One of the few posts of yours I agree with Joe. EU In/Out has never been split down Labour & Conservative party lines, so why they didnt cobble together a cross party coalition to conduct the negotiations, or at least to agree the stance the UK would take, I will never understand.

 

[Joey66]

One of the few posts of yours I agree with Joe. EU In/Out has never been split down Labour & Conservative party lines, so why they didnt cobble together a cross party coalition to conduct the negotiations, or at least to agree the stance the UK would take, I will never understand.

I stated that way back when we had a remainer PM unelected- a coalition of the two cabinets would have been a way forward taking polictics out of it 2 years plus they had their time to come up with something better that's on the table now...