Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

I stated that way back when we had a remainer PM unelected- a coalition of the two cabinets would have been a way forward taking polictics out of it 2 years plus they had their time to come up with something better that's on the table now...

Yep, and we have had to put up with their petty political games ever since, on all sides.

 

[magicjuan]

Call globalisation what you will but the truth is our economy is very different to what it was in the late 70’s and early 80’s.

We no longer have a large scale manufacturing industry, our economy is very much dependent on these global companies and of course like it or not, we are intrinsically dependent on the financial services industry to keep our economy afloat.

If we are forced into a no deal Brexit then these global companies will not think twice about moving UK operations into another country in order to protect their supply chains and active markets. The financial services industry has already started to shift jobs and operations out of the city of London and if we leave with no deal then this trickle will become a flood.

Yes I take your point that the world has changed since the last EEC referendum and that it will probably change again, we will reinvent our economy, we will attract those global companies back to our shores again but at what cost?

This will take years, possibly 10 - 15. Meantime we are going to see a massive hit to our economy and jobs and careers will be lost with as you say the poor people taking the brunt of this.

So let’s take a breath as you said and put it back to the people to say once and for all now we know all the facts and implications to decide if we should leave if so under what terms?

That’s my point - the government have screwed up. So let the people sort it out.

Nothing to argue with what you've said, but, the methodology of globalism isn't the same as the delivery.
All the jobs lost at peak Thatcherism/ Reaganism were never recovered and not enough fought to defend them, in fact I've always believed it was the labour party that killed off the mining industry by not backing them when the support was there.
The pursuit of profit above people drove economics from then on, in fact it was this that drove the formation of the EU & ERM. It still does. The drive and intent of the EU is to serve capital first, the portrayal of considerate capitalism is a trick, as you highlight, the flight of capital is a threat used endlessly and is part of the shackling of democracy and of keeping the proles in their place.
Whatever happens will only happen because it's allowed to, but until then anything that can cause chaos and then benefit the people, even if that is to give them a fleeting sense of influence, has to be seized and the concept of disaster capitalism flipped on its head.
If we lose control of this situation then we will truly be heading to a brave new world.

 

[Zezti]

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-12-30/brexit-ferry-contract-awarded-to-company-with-no-ships/
"Questions have been raised over the Government’s preparations for a no-deal Brexit, after it emerged a £13.8 million contract to run extra ferries has been handed to a company with no ships which has not previously operated a service."

What is this government doing? Like, really??

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Northern Ireland Civil Service have now asked staff to volunteer for Brexit related posts to prepare for a no deal.

For the past year their staff have been allowed to apply for Brexit related posts with no notice and no line management permission. That was a first.

Now asking for volunteers to man out of hours ad hoc posts is demonstrating panic/contingency planning.

 

[summerisle]

Game of polo before Tiffin anyone ?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Game of polo before Tiffin anyone ?

Good God, that's what this is all about isn't it, it's basically a Tory vanity project.

Doubt very much those Labour voters who voted to leave were aware of this, were they @Joey66 ?

 

[Joey66]

Good God, that's what this is all about isn't it, it's basically a Tory vanity project.

Doubt very much those Labour voters who voted to leave were aware of this, were they @Joey66 ?

It's tory paper

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

It's toilet paper

Corrected

 

[Joey66]

Corrected

Stop copying @Old Blue 2 correcting post nowhere near as classy as his corrections.....

 

[Goat]

My name is Joey and I vote Tory

 

[Joey66]

lolHis name is @MarcelsGoat and he votes UKIP......or BNP.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is kinda how I feel in this thread (and indeed this debate) at times. Someone (the Republican) so overwhelmingly, mindnumbingly wrong, and yet seemingly so certain they're right.

 

[Harryflashman]

It's tory paper

It certainly is but i think you’ve still quoted it over a dozen times in support of various arguments in this thread .

 

[orly]

Stop copying @Old Blue 2 correcting post nowhere near as classy as his corrections.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Maybe the class Joe meant? (please don't report me again - it's a joke ffs)