Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

any idea what percentage actually of the population actually voted to remain?

Less than the percentage that voted to Leave apparently........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The treasure we wish to keep is the money that we work for and generate. Thinking that we will continue to subsidise the rest of the EU is the real illusion.....

Hello Pete, it's London calling here, would you mind if we stopped subsidising your little village and kept the wealth we generate instead? If you wish to make up the difference, I've heard good things about trading with New Zealand so perhaps you can give that a go. Many thanks in advance.

 

[peteblue]

We are not talking about “groundswells” to Remain (though I suspect the inevitable referendum will show such a groundswell).

It is you who struts around saying that the 32% of the population who voted Leave are somehow an overwhelming majoruty.

They weren’t even an overwhelming majority of them as voted.

And that, my friend, is why Brexit is proving impossible to implement in any sensible fashion.

I’m not sure about all this ‘strutting around’. If you have any examples of me ‘strutting around’ I’d be glad to see it. However, as you have raised the issue, it is an inescapable fact that a greater number of people voted to Leave as opposed to those that voted to remain.

The reason why Brexit is proving difficult is because Remainers took it upon themselves to undermine our negotiating position and traitors (and I do mean in the fullest sense of the word), such as Blair, have worked with the EU to do so.

 

[orchard]

Hello Pete, it's London calling here, would you mind if we stopped subsidising your little village and kept the wealth we generate instead? If you wish to make up the difference, I've heard good things about trading with New Zealand so perhaps you can give that a go. Many thanks in advance.

You know it's not that simple mate, but still, Pete...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The reason why Brexit is proving difficult is because Remainers took it upon themselves to undermine our negotiating position and traitors (and I do mean in the fullest sense of the word), such as Blair, have worked with the EU to do so.

Evidence?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

This is what I was on about the other day. "Factional disputes" are holding up progress according to British business:

British business says no to no-deal in 100 days’ time
“Businesses have been watching in horror as politicians have focused on factional disputes rather than practical steps that business needs to move forward. The lack of progress in Westminster means that the risk of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit is rising. Businesses of all sizes are reaching the point of no return, with many now putting in place contingency plans that are a significant drain of time and money. Firms are pausing or diverting investment that should be boosting productivity, innovation, jobs and pay, into stockpiling goods or materials, diverting cross border trade and moving offices, factories and therefore jobs and tax revenues out of the UK. While many companies are actively preparing for a ‘no deal’ scenario, there are also hundreds of thousands who have yet to start – and cannot be expected to be ready in such a short space of time.

“All this activity stems from the growing risk of leaving the EU on 29th March without a deal. With just 100 days to go, the suggestion that ‘no-deal’ can be ‘managed’ is not a credible proposition. Businesses would face massive new customs costs and tariffs. Disruption at ports could destroy carefully built supply chains. From broadcasters, to insurance brokers, to our financial services - the UK’s world-leading services sector will be needlessly disadvantaged, and many professional qualifications will be unrecognised across the EU. UK and EU nationals working abroad will be left in deep uncertainty about their future. As a result of the lack of progress, the Government is understandably now in a place where it must step up no-deal planning, but it is clear there is simply not enough time to prevent severe dislocation and disruption in just 100 days.

“This is not where we should be.

“The responsibility to find a way forward now rests directly with 650 MPs in Parliament. Nobody wants to prolong the uncertainty, but everyone must remember that businesses and communities need time to adapt to future changes. As the UK’s leading business groups, we are asking MPs from all parties to return to their constituencies over Christmas and talk to their local business communities. We hope that they will listen and remember that when they return to Parliament, the future course of our economy will be in their hands.”

Dr Adam Marshall, Director General, British Chambers of Commerce

Carolyn Fairbairn, Director General, Confederation of British Industry

Stephen Phipson CBE, Chief Executive, EEF, the manufacturers’ organisation

Mike Cherry OBE, National Chairman, Federation of Small Businesses

Stephen Martin, Director General, Institute of Directors

https://www.britishchambers.org.uk/news/2018/12/british-business-says-no-to-no-deal-in-100-days-time

ENDS

 

[peteblue]

Hello Pete, it's London calling here, would you mind if we stopped subsidising your little village and kept the wealth we generate instead? If you wish to make up the difference, I've heard good things about trading with New Zealand so perhaps you can give that a go. Many thanks in advance.

If London disappeared tomorrow it would make no difference to our little village. Indeed we could also get rid of HS2. If our little villages and farms disappeared, London would collapse within 2 days.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You know it's not that simple mate, but still, Pete...

No, of course, but then it's a fundamental fact of any economy (country or continent) that some areas will subsidise others. England subsidies Scotland. London subsidises the rest of the country. Britain, Germany and France subsidise Poland.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If London disappeared tomorrow it would make no difference to our little village. Indeed we could also get rid of HS2. If our little villages and farms disappeared, London would collapse within 2 days.......

You're not very keen on using actual evidence are you Pete? I can just imagine this level of rigour being used in the project plans for the latest whizzy military helicopter or something. Just random figures plucked out of thin air all over the place.

 

[orchard]

 

[summerisle]

 

[Bruce Wayne]

On a more positive note, the wife did the 'leave to remain' app thing last night and it was very straightforward. Quite impressively smooth actually, so credit where credit's due. To celebrate we're having a party in the milk aisle of the Barnsley branch of Tesco, where we'll talk Czech 'really' loudly.

 

[Li Tie]

Congratulations guys on creating this fine mess that will have repercussions not just for Europe but for the entire world. Great job.

 

[Eggs]

...with the Tories on the ropes regarding Brexit, Corbyn shifts the headlines on him for ‘allegedly’ calling May a ‘stupid woman’. What a pity Labour are going through this national crisis with just as ineffective a leader as the Conservatives.

 

[peteblue]

You're not very keen on using actual evidence are you Pete? I can just imagine this level of rigour being used in the project plans for the latest whizzy military helicopter or something. Just random figures plucked out of thin air all over the place.

Well it seemed to work for Remainers promoting ‘project fear MK1’.........