Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Harryflashman]

If the remain camp had explained to the working classes what the advantages were to EU membership rather than just telling them that anyone that voted Leave was an uneducated, geriatric racist they may have won a few more over.

When you are at bottom of the food chain, you have nothing to lose from changing the status quo.

The Remain campaign was probably run by hedge fund Tories and Islington Guardianistas who don't actually know that life exists outside the M25.

Both groups were probably concerned an out vote would mean there wouldn't be enough European's to serve them their Mochachoccochinos in the morning or their £1mn 2 bed shoe box in Peckham would lose 20% to a mere £800k.

Out of touch with reality.

I think there is a definitely a degree of truth in that in the some of those involved but there was a lot of information out there . Debates every day , whole hours of tv and radio set out discussing it , the news on every channel each night almost exclusively dedicated to it , party political broadcasts, newspapers discussing it endlessly admittedly much of the tabloids talking rubbish but regardless the info was out there .

I think people have to take responsibility for their own actions as well , we aren't dealing with children here. This is the biggest vote this country has ever faced and almost every politican on both sides said that . Many who voted out are delighted as they should be as its what they wanted , most reason voters are disappointed but the fact that there wasn't enough info out there I'm sorry I'm not really having that .

 

[Joey66]

Some people on facebook are implying (NOT saying) but could look like an outsider that they're suggesting abolishing democracy as some polls( who got it wrong on the voting day), says that younger voters was more likely to vote in..

Yes just watched the Republic of Ireland get beat on a dodgy decision will it be replayed no!

 

[bobbydigital]

If the remain camp had explained to the working classes what the advantages were to EU membership rather than just telling them that anyone that voted Leave was an uneducated, geriatric racist they may have won a few more over.

When you are at bottom of the food chain, you have nothing to lose from changing the status quo.

The Remain campaign was probably run by hedge fund Tories and Islington Guardianistas who don't actually know that life exists outside the M25.

Both groups were probably concerned an out vote would mean there wouldn't be enough European's to serve them their Mochachoccochinos in the morning or their £1mn 2 bed shoe box in Peckham would lose 20% to a mere £800k.

Out of touch with reality.

Pretty much agree with you mate, except the people at the bottom will probably be the biggest losers out of this.

 

[allezlesbleus]

You sure it was 8.5 Bil? My understanding it was NET 35 MIL a day, 10 Bil a year and 350 Mil a week was false.


Good question, I do not know the answer in all honesty, I was for remain now I am more on fence I feel we can improve our economy and we are already 5th largest in world, I can not see EU not allowing us to enter back into single market Merkel would be out of power so fast if we could not buy Low tariff German cars etc.

Point is we can trade with europe and the world.

I am sure we can have access to single market but outside we can negotiate trade deals with world for example the was a Free Trade Agreement between Iceland and China

The is positives we can look forward two and after time we can re build stronger.

On better terms than we have now? Because if not on better terms it is a loss surely?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As an aside, regarding the Scotland thing, that too is fairly complex. Say, for instance, they vote to leave the UK, then they would have to go through the exact same processes as Turkey et al are going through. That might take some time. They would also need full agreement from all 27 remaining member states, and there's much to suggest the likes of Spain may balk at the prospect to try and squash any separatist ideas of Catalonia et al.

One interesting alternative was proposed by the Economist this week in that we would open up the vote to the whole of the UK, with the vote essentially asking if we want England and Wales to leave the UK, thus forming a new country and leaving Scotland in the UK, which is already a member of the EU (at the moment).

I can only imagine the legal wranglings over such a move, but whether it's Scotland aspiring to EU membership or Ireland unifying, it's not going to be straightforward at all.

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

What?

Poorly worded but, see a lot of people whining because lib students was more likely to of voted in, suggesting 16 and 17 year old s should be able to vote, or too ignore the old peoples votes and stay in as younger people know best.

 

[Yid4life]

All this talk of how much better the economy is or will be inside the EU and the so-called stability it brings is nonsense.

The EU is so good for the youngsters - how does that relate to the 50% youth unemployment in Greece and 30%+ elsewhere.

How about Greece, Italy and Spain have austerity Govts forced upon them?

Financial market stability? I have paid 15% mortgage rates while we have been in the EU, seen UK I/rates rise 5% in ONE day and have seen banks almost go bust. FTSE knee-jerked 8% lower Fri and ended 2.5% down. I have seen the US Dow Jones dump over 25% in one day.

 

[roydo]

Poorly worded but, see a lot of people whining because lib students was more likely to of voted in, suggesting 16 and 17 year old s should be able to vote, or too ignore the old peoples votes and stay in as younger people know best.

Again, what?

 

[Jib in lad]

Inevitable I suppose and very sad.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

 

[The Esk]

One interesting alternative was proposed by the Economist this week in that we would open up the vote to the whole of the UK, with the vote essentially asking if we want England and Wales to leave the UK, thus forming a new country and leaving Scotland in the UK, which is already a member of the EU (at the moment).

Maybe we can extend that idea by asking all 27 countries to leave the EU and set up a new organisation. We'd stay in the EU but be the only member.

Nonsense economically of course, but would satisfy both sets of voters lol

 

[roydo]

Financial market stability? I have paid 15% mortgage rates while we have been in the EU, seen UK I/rates rise 5% in ONE day and have seen banks almost go bust. FTSE knee-jerked 8% lower Fri and ended 2.5% down. I have seen the US Dow Jones dump over 25% in one day.

That doesnt half remind me of a song.

 

[MikeEFC1878x]

Pretty much agree with you mate, except the people at the bottom will probably be the biggest losers out of this.

Greece youth unemployment 50%

Spain youth unemployment 50%+

Like it or not the united states of europe was heading that way for UK, was only a mater of time of when not IF.

Now I do not think for one minuet that immigrants are a problem here in Liverpool but for people to patronise working class in really densely populated areas where the is real division lost the vote.

 

[Yid4life]

Pretty much agree with you mate, except the people at the bottom will probably be the biggest losers out of this.

Even the Remain camp have admitted that wages for the low paid on Brexit will rise.

House prices may fall 10-20% and interest rates will hold steady or fall. This will give more of the hard done by youngsters a chance to get in the housing ladder.

Not all bad.

 

[Darth Vader]

No mate, it's the value of the economic activity created in the UK by being members of the EU.

 

[Brennan]

All this talk of how much better the economy is or will be inside the EU and the so-called stability it brings is nonsense.

The EU is so good for the youngsters - how does that relate to the 50% youth unemployment in Greece and 30%+ elsewhere.

How about Greece, Italy and Spain have austerity Govts forced upon them?

Financial market stability? I have paid 15% mortgage rates while we have been in the EU, seen UK I/rates rise 5% in ONE day and have seen banks almost go bust. FTSE knee-jerked 8% lower Fri and ended 2.5% down. I have seen the US Dow Jones dump over 25% in one day.

What is our youth unemployment ? Because personally I fail to see how those countries are relevant to that question.

You also made a comment about the people at the bottom having nothing to lose. Unfortunately that's just not true.

Take a look at Ebbw Vale, I posted an article earlier in the thread. They have received hundreds of millions of backing from the EU, an area ignored by our government. Without the EU all of the businesses which moved there would not have done so.

Do you honestly think Boris the clown and his cronies will look after such areas in the same way ?