Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Mark O'Silver said:
Some people seem to think it isn't.
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“‘We’ve had quite enough of experts’. That's a cry from somebody who doesn't understand what they're saying – that's what that means,” Sir David said. "That's when someone has told them something which they don't like, and which they probably don't understand.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ave-uk-bbc-michael-gove-experts-a7967591.html

It's impossible for anyone to dismiss the views of Attenborough surely?
 
Armel said:
He hasn't stitched up the U.K. I still don’t see how May (or somebody else tbh) could have negotiated the whole thing better. Very little wiggle room.

It’s very problematic. After +- 2.5 years there’s still no ‘national’ (U.K.) consensus about what/how is the best way forward. Not even in her own party/or the other one (and if there is one it's very vague). Not about what road to follow. Not even about what roads are feasible/dead ends.

Part of the problem is typically British. I’m sorry but even opponents of Brexit keep overestimating the relative weight/importance of their country. As long as the U.K. was a member of the E.U., they enjoyed a preferential regime for all sorts of matters. For some reason it’s difficult to comprehend for some that the referendum ended that. Not because the E.U. wants to punish the U.K. (tbf some might enjoy that); simply to preserve the European project. Nothing would undermine the E.U more than the suggestion that you can exit, but still maintain the advantages. There is no magical deal that offers an elegant solution for the U.K., but doesn’t aggravate the internal European problems.

The whole starting point of the Brexiteer negotiating strategy was flawed: the EU is important for the U.K., but the U.K. is equally as important for the E.U. That’s false. Yes Brexit will have an impact on the European economy. Yes, most European leaders (not all; a few have gone into payback mode and will continue to do so) would prefer a different outcome. But it is what it is. Europe can continue without the U.K; a notion that grows more stronger as time passes. It might even make certain things easier

In many European countries, the latest episode in the Brexit soap doesn’t even make the headlines any more. A result of the Brits leaving is off course that the U.K.’s power over European politics is shrivelling.


I ask you: How would you have conducted the negotiations (differently), keeping in mind all the legal restraints placed upon you by the European treaties and the distinct interests of the remaining (some who might even see opportunities in the case of a relatively hard Brexit) E.U. countries ? A concrete solution, that would solve all the problems that you most likely will be facing in the event of a no deal. The problems 'normal' people will be facing - I'm not particularly fussed about the elite they'll find a way.
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Looking forward to this response
 
Armel said:
He hasn't stitched up the U.K. I still don’t see how May (or somebody else tbh) could have negotiated the whole thing better. Very little wiggle room.

It’s very problematic. After +- 2.5 years there’s still no ‘national’ (U.K.) consensus about what/how is the best way forward. Not even in her own party/or the other one (and if there is one it's very vague). Not about what road to follow. Not even about what roads are feasible/dead ends.

Part of the problem is typically British. I’m sorry but even opponents of Brexit keep overestimating the relative weight/importance of their country. As long as the U.K. was a member of the E.U., they enjoyed a preferential regime for all sorts of matters. For some reason it’s difficult to comprehend for some that the referendum ended that. Not because the E.U. wants to punish the U.K. (tbf some might enjoy that); simply to preserve the European project. Nothing would undermine the E.U more than the suggestion that you can exit, but still maintain the advantages. There is no magical deal that offers an elegant solution for the U.K., but doesn’t aggravate the internal European problems.

The whole starting point of the Brexiteer negotiating strategy was flawed: the EU is important for the U.K., but the U.K. is equally as important for the E.U. That’s false. Yes Brexit will have an impact on the European economy. Yes, most European leaders (not all; a few have gone into payback mode and will continue to do so) would prefer a different outcome. But it is what it is. Europe can continue without the U.K; a notion that grows more stronger as time passes. It might even make certain things easier

In many European countries, the latest episode in the Brexit soap doesn’t even make the headlines any more. A result of the Brits leaving is off course that the U.K.’s power over European politics is shrivelling.


I ask you: How would you have conducted the negotiations (differently), keeping in mind all the legal restraints placed upon you by the European treaties and the distinct interests of the remaining (some who might even see opportunities in the case of a relatively hard Brexit) E.U. countries ? A concrete solution, that would solve all the problems that you most likely will be facing in the event of a no deal. The problems 'normal' people will be facing - I'm not particularly fussed about the elite they'll find a way.
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So you support the May deal the only deal after two years plus - we will never know what a Brexit PM could have negotiated giving bundles of cash away - she states the 39 billion has to be honoured yet I have not seen a breakdown of that figure also the money we have put in over 40 years plus ....Don't forget we only ever ever voted for a trade deal not a polictical union , and when that question came you and other remainers lost that vote , but won't except it it's called democracy........
 
Joey66 said:
So you support the May deal the only deal after two years plus - we will never know what a Brexit PM could have negotiated giving bundles of cash away - she states the 39 billion has to be honoured yet I have not seen a breakdown of that figure also the money we have put in over 40 years plus ....Don't forget we only ever ever voted for a trade deal not a polictical union , and when that question came you and other remainers lost that vote , but won't except it it's called democracy........
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Armel is Belgian Joe.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Did they not hug you in your Bupa bed Joe?
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Not in BUPA Bruce I joked about it just the good old NHS being a Socialist and not a wet Liberal......... whos leader sold the Post office down the river in Sir Vince ......
JimmyJeffers said:
Looking forward to this response
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