Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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orchard said:
I made it quite clear at the beginning of this thread that while the EU does have its issues, no way would I trust/empower the then current government with more powers as they they are not suitable custodians, which the EU currently form an okay check/balance.
I voted for Labour in the last ge because imo they would be more likely to leave the EU in a more responsible manner.

You voted for Brexit and cba to vote for a party to make manifest what you voted for... This is your shît, your responsibility, own it.
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Then why defend them in every post you make on this thread - stop there I have heard enough........
 
orchard said:
I know, there warehousing is full now so getting money from government to expand further...
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Joey66 said:
Why should we contribute to their fat pensions?
ok if we have to pay but that can be taken off the table hence this mess should have been sorted out after 6 months......
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Its written in ink within article 50. The same article 50 that you leavers voted for. (Without understanding any of it)!!!!
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
Still doesn't alter the fact that when we leave we have to pay £50 billion for the privilege! Where do you think that money will come from eh? Public spending, and welfare - those budgets will be cut to fund our divorce bill. Not project fear - just reality.
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It's been said dozens of times on here though, the 'divorce bill' is the UK honouring the commitments it has already signed up to, the vast majority of which will continue to accrue benefits to the country. It makes me sad that Joe continues not to understand this, but that doesn't make it any less true.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/eu-divorce-bill probably explains it as well as anywhere.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
It's like pulling teeth.
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And yet any comments about the mental faculties of leave voters get people very hot under the collar. I mean all of that 'money we get back but are told how to spend', are things the government have committed to match, so we'll still give farmers £3bn a year, we'll still give researchers a chunk of money and so on (if their promises hold any water).
 
Bruce Wayne said:
And yet any comments about the mental faculties of leave voters get people very hot under the collar. I mean all of that 'money we get back but are told how to spend', are things the government have committed to match, so we'll still give farmers £3bn a year, we'll still give researchers a chunk of money and so on (if their promises hold any water).
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Yup, Farmers, fishermen - will all be wanting the UK Govt to replace their lost EU subsidies...Where will that money come from I wonder. Our scientific and space research programs will drift off into Europe along with all that talent and expertise, never to be replaced - a lost jewel in our crown.

So the leavers won eh? I think all of us lost.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
Yup, Farmers, fishermen - will all be wanting the UK Govt to replace their lost EU subsidies...Where will that money come from I wonder. Our scientific and space research programs will drift off into Europe along with all that talent and expertise, never to be replaced - a lost jewel in our crown.

So the leavers won eh? I think all of us lost.
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The science thing is something I'm particularly interested in with my work, and it's a basic fact now that not only is the vast majority of research collaborative, but a significant chunk of those collaborations are international. Now you could justly argue that this will continue, that academics at British universities are among the best in the world and will continue to operate with peers around the world. That is undoubtedly true, but what programs like Horizon2020 do is make those collaborations easier. Being outside that will add a hurdle that needn't have been there. May has suggested we might continue paying into certain programs, and you'd imagine H2020 (or H2027) will be one of those, but it's all very uncertain, so goodness only knows what researchers looking for partners and/or funding are doing at the moment. And that's before you get onto things like data sharing and the movement of academics.

When I posted up something on the topic a few days ago, Joe brushed it aside as irrelevant. I'm off to take some deep breaths.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The science thing is something I'm particularly interested in with my work, and it's a basic fact now that not only is the vast majority of research collaborative, but a significant chunk of those collaborations are international. Now you could justly argue that this will continue, that academics at British universities are among the best in the world and will continue to operate with peers around the world. That is undoubtedly true, but what programs like Horizon2020 do is make those collaborations easier. Being outside that will add a hurdle that needn't have been there. May has suggested we might continue paying into certain programs, and you'd imagine H2020 (or H2027) will be one of those, but it's all very uncertain, so goodness only knows what researchers looking for partners and/or funding are doing at the moment. And that's before you get onto things like data sharing and the movement of academics.

When I posted up something on the topic a few days ago, Joe brushed it aside as irrelevant. I'm off to take some deep breaths.
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Oh really?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The science thing is something I'm particularly interested in with my work, and it's a basic fact now that not only is the vast majority of research collaborative, but a significant chunk of those collaborations are international. Now you could justly argue that this will continue, that academics at British universities are among the best in the world and will continue to operate with peers around the world. That is undoubtedly true, but what programs like Horizon2020 do is make those collaborations easier. Being outside that will add a hurdle that needn't have been there. May has suggested we might continue paying into certain programs, and you'd imagine H2020 (or H2027) will be one of those, but it's all very uncertain, so goodness only knows what researchers looking for partners and/or funding are doing at the moment. And that's before you get onto things like data sharing and the movement of academics.

When I posted up something on the topic a few days ago, Joe brushed it aside as irrelevant. I'm off to take some deep breaths.
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