Current Affairs EU In or Out

[neil999]

Leadership challenge imminent...

 

[tsubaki]

Comes from tomorrow's Times. Have a gander:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrHCfshWkAAVkM4.jpg:large

Indeed - its basically Corbyn's "six tests" policy and it is the only way a Brexit deal could pass the Commons. The Brexiteers will go absolutely mental.

 

[Tubey]

Indeed - its basically Corbyn's "six tests" policy and it is the only way a Brexit deal could pass the Commons. The Brexiteers will go absolutely mental.

I think they'll back down. They'll simply pester for the clause to be triggered as soon as possible and blame this "customs union" for all the problems we have over the next year or two.

 

[The binman chronicles]

So it sounds like we will be just in a state of brexit but never actually leave. Well not on the Tories watch anyhow.

 

[tsubaki]

I think they'll back down. They'll simply pester for the clause to be triggered as soon as possible and blame this "customs union" for all the problems we have over the next year or two.

Thats probably May's assumption, but even the Brexiteers are too smart to notice that this "temporary measure" will last for as long as the NI / Eire border lasts.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Thats probably May's assumption, but even the Brexiteers are too smart to notice that this "temporary measure" will last for as long as the NI / Eire border lasts.

Which if they get their way will then logically spell an end to the Irish border and reunification. Every cloud..

 

[Joey66]

It is probally we leave the Norway way instead for two years instead of two year consultation period that was muted by Nicholas Solmes Tory backbencher it's a far cheaper way to do it as one we leave on the 31rst of March - we are then in a better certain position to work on the deal of final as we will be out and negotiations may be easier than uncertainty for businesses..?

 

[tsubaki]

It is probally we leave the Norway way instead for two years instead of two year consultation period that was muted by Nicholas Solmes Tory backbencher it's a far cheaper way to do it as one we leave on the 31rst of March - we are then in a better certain position to work on the deal of final as we will be out and negotiations may be easier than uncertainty for businesses..?

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[JammyP]

I honestly think in years to come people will look back and laugh their tits off at this Brexit era.

So nobody disagrees with the idea that Britian will be poorer in the short and medium term (The long term is a guess).

Nobody can really point to any specific law or issue with the EU that affects their daily lives.

Nobody trusts May at al to negotiate a good deal.

Nobody can answer the Irish border issue with any sensible solution (No border of any kind yet we are taking back control of our borders)

There are no serious economists or corporate business leaders saying anything other than Brexit is going to leave the UK in a poorer position than it is now.

The NHS £350m a week line was a lie. The ruskies illegally shaped the vote. Vote Leave broke election laws.

But the people have spoken. The will of the great british public must be respected. A vote taken before any of the key detail was known must prevail. Politicians must listen to the people. But the idea of a second vote, when all of the facts are known, is wrong?

Nailed it

 

[The binman chronicles]

It is probally we leave the Norway way instead for two years instead of two year consultation period that was muted by Nicholas Solmes Tory backbencher it's a far cheaper way to do it as one we leave on the 31rst of March - we are then in a better certain position to work on the deal of final as we will be out and negotiations may be easier than uncertainty for businesses..?

I doubt it will ever get easier. (Well if NI leaves the UK of it's own accord then it would!) Just like Cameron leaving after the vote, this government is not going to take on the responsibility and has just kicked the can down the road...indefinitely.

The only thing is you can't really blame them as there is no magic deal, but it is just annoying they (you can include politicians on all sides here) refuse to see sense and can the whole article 50 until there is an acceptable work around. The only way to do that is find out the answer to the question is brexit worth breaking the union of the United Kingdom, or is a Norway type deal good enough for the majority of brexiteers.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Unemployment is rife throughout the EU , youth unemployment particularly high, poverty in the UK has grown , the gap between the rich and poor has grown, we have imported vast numbers of cheap labour to keep cost and wages down all while in the EU, an organisation that has the posted workers legislation and it's Brexit that has us in a race to the bottom?

It's a bit unfair to accuse the EU of causing youth unemployment (or unemployment generally) across the EU though. In large instances that has nothing to do with migration, and everything to do with structural issues in the domestic economy. It's widely accepted, for instance, that France has poor youth unemployment rates because they have excessive employment protection, which makes it incredibly hard to fire people, which not only keeps 'bed blockers' in the workforce, but creates reluctance to hire unproven youngsters to begin with.

That's the youth unemployment rate in Spain from the 1980s (or since they became a democracy again if you like), and it's been really high for decades. It went up because their economy suffered more than most in 2008 because they over-invested in property.

The same is largely true in Italy. It rose because of the financial crash, but is now reverting to the (high) norm over the past 40 years.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not another one...

You accuse others (well, me really) of arrogance, but throughout this thread, and indeed elsewhere, valid concerns of people have been roundly dismissed as project fear, selling the country down etc. No doubt the letter from 50 business leaders in the Times today will be similarly brushed aside as irrelevant. Indeed, already there have been comments that their opinions are only as valid of those of any other regular @Joe.

Now, of course, you're completely entitled to your opinion of me, and others on this thread, and I won't deny that I have let emotions get the better of me at times on here, but perhaps some humility would not go amiss from your end too.

 

[nsno-chris]

The human rights act -PC gone mad my son got a complaint as a password he put on a firm's computer was Blackwatch {they felt it had racist undertones} they complained he had 10 pc passwords and always uses an app for childrens inoffensive off the wall passwords for good security - his boss just smiled and stated he would explain it was not racist comment......
That's why we need to move away from the EU Courts...... PC gone mad........

The EU Convention on Human Rights would not have provisions for “racist” passwords; so that’s BS Joe.

And secondly, the EU Courts have nothing todo with the legislative drafting or implementation of the Convention

 

[roydo]

The EU Convention on Human Rights would not have provisions for “racist” passwords; so that’s BS Joe.

And secondly, the EU Courts have nothing todo with the legislative drafting or implementation of the Convention

Oh look, a fact. Will be ignored, as per.

 

[edge]

It's a bit unfair to accuse the EU of causing youth unemployment (or unemployment generally) across the EU though. In large instances that has nothing to do with migration, and everything to do with structural issues in the domestic economy. It's widely accepted, for instance, that France has poor youth unemployment rates because they have excessive employment protection, which makes it incredibly hard to fire people, which not only keeps 'bed blockers' in the workforce, but creates reluctance to hire unproven youngsters to begin with.

That's the youth unemployment rate in Spain from the 1980s (or since they became a democracy again if you like), and it's been really high for decades. It went up because their economy suffered more than most in 2008 because they over-invested in property.

The same is largely true in Italy. It rose because of the financial crash, but is now reverting to the (high) norm over the past 40 years.

good point about bed blockers ,with people staying in jobs now to 67 ect and behond it stops younger people getting a decent step on the career ladder,.maybe there should be some sort of system to help people get out of work if they want to?