Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Quite possibly. I just thought it interesting as managing (or ideally reversing) the decline of towns is a crucial act for governments over the past few decades, and one could argue that it hasn't been managed well at all. This suggests that there are things that tend to typify towns that do this better than others. Sadly it doesn't seem as though many towns are trusting and tolerant, or welcoming of newcomers (to name two of the above)

Adding to the redistribution issues, the way in which eu directives have been implemented by Westminster also hamstrings smaller businesses, possibly as a result of lobbying by the larger corporations/business.
 
The human rights act -PC gone mad my son got a complaint as a password he put on a firm's computer was Blackwatch {they felt it had racist undertones} they complained he had 10 pc passwords and always uses an app for childrens inoffensive off the wall passwords for good security - his boss just smiled and stated he would explain it was not racist comment......
That's why we need to move away from the EU Courts...... PC gone mad........

Wait what, I thought you were only leaving the ECJ (and related; I don't think you will besides by name only, but that's the aim).

I'm quite certain however that you won't be leaving the ECHR. Also it's quite a long way to get there, you first have to exhaust all your domestic remedies (so basically your state has to "fail" you), and a whole other bunch of admissibility requirements. Also the U.K. is a dualist legal system, unlike e.g. Belgium, the Netherlands and France (where treaties like European Convention of Human rights have a self executing effect); not too big a difference in practice for this though.

Also, let's use the example above (blackwatch), you say racism. I'm quite certain that it wouldn't fall under the scope of article 14 (even it was a result of a failing of a public authority-otherwise you can't go there), since it has to be coupled to another right in the treaty. Can't see which one. It wouldn't even be different if the U.K. was a party to protocol 12 (widening the scope of the article, but the U.K. isn't party to that so it's irrelevant). So you've got no issue here.

On the other hand you've got loads of groundbreaking and high-quality arrests like the Markcx arrest (making sure that natural, but unlawful children get the same rights as lawful children-those born in a marriage-). [at the time children born outside wedlock were partly excluded from inheriting from their family etc...]. Salduz etc... They are just there to provide a minimum level of human rights (they could do a whole lot better); only consensus. Well there are some absolute rights, like 3 - I think we can all agree that torture is a no go. Bare minimum; no derogation possible.
 
Just googled ECHR there may well be a big hole in it after Brexit, hard Brexiteers want to leave it lock stock and barrel - via- Keir Starmer - probably more project fear ......
 
Just googled ECHR there may well be a big hole in it after Brexit, hard Brexiteers want to leave it lock stock and barrel - via- Keir Starmer - probably more project fear ......

So yet more evidence that you didnt have a clue what you voted for. I havnt a clue about the implications of the ECHR post Brexit. Not even a little bit. And by extension, I havnt a clue if we will have a Human Rights "thing" at all.

But you were presumably quite happy with that void.
 
So yet more evidence that you didnt have a clue what you voted for. I havnt a clue about the implications of the ECHR post Brexit. Not even a little bit. And by extension, I havnt a clue if we will have a Human Rights "thing" at all.

But you were presumably quite happy with that void.
I will be happy when we leave with a deal......
 
Brexit at it's core is about making profits off the back of the poor in a race to the bottom.

Of course human rights are therefore a bad thing.

The turkeys voted for Christmas with this...

There is an element of that, but I think a bigger factor is this desire to regain our empire-based status in the world. Many appear to feel subservient to others when we're part of the EU. Order takers rather than givers.
 
There is an element of that, but I think a bigger factor is this desire to regain our empire-based status in the world. Many appear to feel subservient to others when we're part of the EU. Order takers rather than givers.
That's more a political tool to achieve the ends @Tubey mentioned, and it doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the real world.
 
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