If you cannot understand we voted to leave and are still arguing on staying in ............
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No I’m trying to show you that this deluded thought that on D1ND we’ll be trading easily with the World is nothing more than a fantasy
When it happens post on here as a deal will be done on trade - by the way Corbyn is no lover of the EU - once we are out it will be many years before it will be put to the people again.... history tells you that........
I voted for a trade deal in 1975 - not a polictical union ........
oh and by the way when we joined Ted Heath did not even put it to the people.........
That's probably because he realised the people aren't fit to tie their own shoe laces tbh.
Brendan Janus
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This Brexit fella has got a lot to answer for !!
Fact sheet: The UK's juxtaposed border controls - Home Office in the ...
At the moment people and goods are checked in France. When the UK leaves the EU and take back control of its' borders, will this arrangement end then they will have to be checked at Dover. Leading to this
Post-Brexit border checks 'may triple queues' to port - BBC News
And this at Calais Calais after Brexit 'could be 10 times worse than Irish border' | Politics ...
Delays at ports will be a disaster for agriculture, food and animals and for factories.
At the moment people and goods are checked in France. When the UK leaves the EU and take back control of its' borders, will this arrangement end then they will have to be checked at Dover. Leading to this
Post-Brexit border checks 'may triple queues' to port - BBC News
And this at Calais Calais after Brexit 'could be 10 times worse than Irish border' | Politics ...
Delays at ports will be a disaster for agriculture, food and animals and for factories.
sbbefc
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We were the 5th largest economy before the vote....
Flying back from Barcelona on Friday night, the queues at Heathrow in the non-EU section of passport control were insane. Something to look forward to I suppose. Of course, I could have driven there, but if we don't have a deal, the UK driving license won't be valid in the EU, so that would be out of the question. The National Audit Office estimate that up to 7 million International Driving Permits would need to be issued by 2020 (all for a nice administrative fee I'm sure). Whilst on the continent, we'll also lose our roaming coverage, which was secured across the EU last year (so that you can roam abroad just as you can at home).
I'm sure the 18 million masterminds that got us into this mess have got solutions to all of these things down the back of their sofa though.
I'm sure the 18 million masterminds that got us into this mess have got solutions to all of these things down the back of their sofa though.
Lot of rumours circulating around work recently that the owners may well shut up shop and set up in mainland Europe if we end up with a no deal brexit.
Apparently this will add millions to raw material costs, so it's cheaper long term to pay redundancy costs an relocate.
Ironic that there's so many who voted leave with the misinformed intent of stopping foreigners taking British jobs "terk our jerbs"
When in reality it could be costing many more British jobs when employers start to leg it into EU countries...
Worrying times indeed.
Apparently this will add millions to raw material costs, so it's cheaper long term to pay redundancy costs an relocate.
Ironic that there's so many who voted leave with the misinformed intent of stopping foreigners taking British jobs "terk our jerbs"
When in reality it could be costing many more British jobs when employers start to leg it into EU countries...
Worrying times indeed.
Good lets have a revolution - get rid of the useless turds who claim to represent us, when in fact they are more interested in peddling their own idealism. Once the revolution is under way we can then round up everyone who voted for Brexit, relocate them all to Luton and build a massive wall around it. The rest of us normal humans can then live a more peaceful and prosperous existence.
Vive La Revolution!
Does the WTO require countries to control their borders? – Trade β Blog Rees Mogg has tried to run with the 'we wont check goods on the island of Ireland' and that way would force the Ireland/EU to put border controls, and in the process get the blame for any economic/political problems that arise.
First, a fact:
There is no rule in the WTO requiring its member governments to secure their borders.
After Brexit, the UK could drop all border controls for traded goods and services and it would be perfectly within its WTO rights.
In other words, while no WTO rule actually says the UK will have to set up border checks, the non-discrimination rule may force it to'.
The UK would have to get rid of all its border checks, pull down the infrastructure so any goods would get into Britain without being checked. There may be the caveat for Rees Mogg , national security.
"The idea is that the UK and EU could cite national security as a justification for breaking the non-discrimination rule at the Irish border.
London and Brussels (and Dublin) could seek a “waiver” in the WTO for the purpose, citing security exception clauses such as Article 21 of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT).
For this to be agreed in the WTO, at the very least both Britain and the EU would have to agree. It would probably have to apply only to Northern Ireland, not the whole United Kingdom, meaning there would probably have to be controls between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK".
What is a WTO schedule? - World Trade Organization
However, resorting to WTO schedules on leaving the EU may run into trouble from Russia voting against the UK.
The "1980 Procedures" The large majority of changes to goods schedules take place under the so-called "1980 Procedures for the modification and rectification of Schedules". Under these procedures, all WTO members have an opportunity to review the proposed changes and to approve them if there are no objections from other members. In the absence of any objections, the proposed changes are "certified" by the WTO Director General. To date, more than 97% of such procedures have been successfully concluded" .
Resorting to WTO is not as straight forward as Rees Mogg et al imply.
First, a fact:
There is no rule in the WTO requiring its member governments to secure their borders.
After Brexit, the UK could drop all border controls for traded goods and services and it would be perfectly within its WTO rights.
- Where the UK might run into trouble is under the WTO’s non-discrimination rules, particularly “most-favoured-nation” treatment (MFN), which means treating one’s trading partners equally
MFN
Most-favoured-nation (MFN) treatment is probably the most important WTO rule.It means not discriminating between one’s trading partners
• Article 1 of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), for trade in goods
• Article 2 of the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS)
• Article 4 of the Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS)
But in each agreement the principle is handled slightly differently
The US might seek a legal ruling in WTO dispute settlement. Months or years later, the ruling might conclude that the UK had discriminated. So either checks at the English ports would have to be dropped, or checks at the Irish border would have to be set up.Most-favoured-nation (MFN) treatment is probably the most important WTO rule.It means not discriminating between one’s trading partners
• Article 1 of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), for trade in goods
• Article 2 of the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS)
• Article 4 of the Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS)
But in each agreement the principle is handled slightly differently
In other words, while no WTO rule actually says the UK will have to set up border checks, the non-discrimination rule may force it to'.
The UK would have to get rid of all its border checks, pull down the infrastructure so any goods would get into Britain without being checked. There may be the caveat for Rees Mogg , national security.
"The idea is that the UK and EU could cite national security as a justification for breaking the non-discrimination rule at the Irish border.
London and Brussels (and Dublin) could seek a “waiver” in the WTO for the purpose, citing security exception clauses such as Article 21 of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT).
For this to be agreed in the WTO, at the very least both Britain and the EU would have to agree. It would probably have to apply only to Northern Ireland, not the whole United Kingdom, meaning there would probably have to be controls between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK".
What is a WTO schedule? - World Trade Organization
However, resorting to WTO schedules on leaving the EU may run into trouble from Russia voting against the UK.
The "1980 Procedures" The large majority of changes to goods schedules take place under the so-called "1980 Procedures for the modification and rectification of Schedules". Under these procedures, all WTO members have an opportunity to review the proposed changes and to approve them if there are no objections from other members. In the absence of any objections, the proposed changes are "certified" by the WTO Director General. To date, more than 97% of such procedures have been successfully concluded" .
Resorting to WTO is not as straight forward as Rees Mogg et al imply.
dead_soft
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You do realise how ridiculous you come across when you KEEP having a go at people for searching for information that they then inform or support their views with?
It's quite apt that a Leave voter keeps complaining about people becoming informed
no.....
Yes but when the uncertainty goes we will rise like the phoenix........
if you are having trouble tying your laces bruce go on a dietlol
one brexiteer post on here and the usual suspects come plundering in like a horde of Vikings - my o my the game was so bad on saturday I had @Socrates posting EU questionslol
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