Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

I think the U.K. voted against the EU regulation.....

Have you found the voting record on the regulation?

 

[peteblue]

Have you found the voting record on the regulation?

I thought I remembered reading it, but for the life of me I can’t find the voting record, perhaps you could .....

 

[edge]

this might help lads

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

 

[peteblue]

this might help lads

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

Well that’s cleared that up......

 

[summerisle]

The fact that so few people have changed their mind, despite the tremendous growth in not only evidence about what the EU is/isn't, but also what Brexit might involve, is arguably the biggest proof of Danny Kahneman's work imaginable.

Apparently not.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Apparently not.

Oh, don't get me wrong, they do suggest a degree of movement, but it still staggers me that over 40% of people still think Brexit is a good idea after all we've seen.

 

[dublinbluenose]

 

[davids]

But it's all so simple.

 

[Number_25]

The fact that so few people have changed their mind, despite the tremendous growth in not only evidence about what the EU is/isn't, but also what Brexit might involve, is arguably the biggest proof of Danny Kahneman's work imaginable.

I'd argue that it's far less academic. The post-referendum "remain" campaign has been a complete disaster. You can't change people's minds by just stating that "they're wrong/stupid/racist" - you have to argue your point with the view of finding compromise.

For a non ideological centrist, you sure are ideological.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'd argue that it's far less academic. The post-referendum "remain" campaign has been a complete disaster. You can't change people's minds by just stating that "they're wrong/stupid/racist" - you have to argue your point with the view of finding compromise.

For a non ideological centrist, you sure are ideological.

Oh I won't dispute that I'm ideological, but from what I've seen, certainly on here, the remain posters have been either posting up studies, evidence or what not to support their point of view, or requesting that leave voters do likewise. That has generally not been forthcoming, and leave voters have instead dreamt up excuse after excuse as to why the evidence is not relevant. There have even been attempts to understand the issues involved in the decision to vote leave, and what people expect leaving will do to help those issues, and we've been met with similar levels of ignorance.

You can only bang your head against the wall so many times.

 

[Number_25]

Oh I won't dispute that I'm ideological, but from what I've seen, certainly on here, the remain posters have been either posting up studies, evidence or what not to support their point of view, or requesting that leave voters do likewise. That has generally not been forthcoming, and leave voters have instead dreamt up excuse after excuse as to why the evidence is not relevant. There have even been attempts to understand the issues involved in the decision to vote leave, and what people expect leaving will do to help those issues, and we've been met with similar levels of ignorance.

You can only bang your head against the wall so many times.

So lets keep failing then.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So lets keep failing then.

I'm open to suggestions. I've tried looking to the Labour leadership on how to behave in these matters and the only guidance I've had is to say nothing.

 

[Number_25]

I'm open to suggestions. I've tried looking to the Labour leadership on how to behave in these matters and the only guidance I've had is to say nothing.

Find compromise.

Leave, but on terms that aren't going to balls up the economy.

 

[Joey66]

I'm open to suggestions. I've tried looking to the Labour leadership on how to behave in these matters and the only guidance I've had is to say nothing.

Labour are playing an opportunist game on Brexit always have.........
They know their six values on Brexit would be rejected by the EU.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Find compromise.

Leave, but on terms that aren't going to balls up the economy.

Compromise on what? Firstly there is clearly no consensus on what 'leave' really means. Secondly, and as a result of this, there is no real consensus on the issues underlying the desire to leave, and thirdly there seems to be next to no idea on how membership of the EU actually impacted any of the above. What exactly would you like compromise on?