Current Affairs EU In or Out

[The binman chronicles]

So, what are you frightened of........

Frightened of in what way? Do you mean if there is another referendum or the consequences of what will happen when we leave?

If there is a second referendum and with the full facts people still vote to leave fair enough, least they have a clue this time what they are actually voting for. If the leave argument actually comes up with beneficial reasons to leave I may even change my vote.

As for what frightens me it is fairly obvious, the EU are not going to damage themselves by giving us too much as that would give leavers throughout Europe a call to arms. So we will be left with dodgy or no terms which will see the pound shrink, food and other basic costs will go up, red tape and high import/export tariffs will see businesses collapse and businesses that supply those go to the wall. Multi nationals will move offices abroad to get round this. High unemployment will make it very hard to get a job as there will be so many applicants per position. Less money coming into the government through income tax will cripple already struggling services.

This will last until the EU itself implodes or enough time and damage as been done for them to take on the good guy role of trying to assist with deals that at the end of the day help boost their own federation.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ins-big-prediction-black-friday-a7102481.html
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...drastic-action-needed-for-eurozone-to-survive
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/eu-referendum-brexit-supporters-opponents
You don't get it - this guy is making a fortune on pushing to remain......
the others have a few bob too hardly socialist are they...........

Didn’t you even read that first article properly? lol

 

[The binman chronicles]

It was done 2 years ago the voting paper was from our sovereign parliament voted in lay out by 6-1 in favour as was the campaign leading up to the vote...
oh and both sides used propaganda one leaflet for remain cost us £8 million- full of inaccuracies = pro remain ....

I'm not saying the remain campaign is whiter than white. I just want to see the deal for myself and vote accordingly. You can't vote for Ham, egg and chips and get a Ham and pineapple pizza instead. Everyone deserves to make a decision based on the whole truth.

 

[Joey66]

Didn’t you even read that first article properly? lol

project fear by someone is cashing in on remoaners - yes I did.........

 

[Joey66]

I'm not saying the remain campaign is whiter than white. I just want to see the deal for myself and vote accordingly. You can't vote for Ham, egg and chips and get a Ham and pineapple pizza instead. Everyone deserves to make a decision based on the whole truth.

Well in the campaign both sides told porkies what makes you think another vote the same thing would not happen let say out won again is going to be the best of three.............
The EU are well known to repel anyone who dares to go against them..........

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

project fear by someone is cashing in on remoaners - yes I did.........

Even the bit about Crispin Odey? Cashing in you say........a £7.5BN punt on the pound....nice.

 

[peteblue]

Frightened of in what way? Do you mean if there is another referendum or the consequences of what will happen when we leave?

If there is a second referendum and with the full facts people still vote to leave fair enough, least they have a clue this time what they are actually voting for. If the leave argument actually comes up with beneficial reasons to leave I may even change my vote.

As for what frightens me it is fairly obvious, the EU are not going to damage themselves by giving us too much as that would give leavers throughout Europe a call to arms. So we will be left with dodgy or no terms which will see the pound shrink, food and other basic costs will go up, red tape and high import/export tariffs will see businesses collapse and businesses that supply those go to the wall. Multi nationals will move offices abroad to get round this. High unemployment will make it very hard to get a job as there will be so many applicants per position. Less money coming into the government through income tax will cripple already struggling services.

This will last until the EU itself implodes or enough time and damage as been done for them to take on the good guy role of trying to assist with deals that at the end of the day help boost their own federation.

So why would you want to belong to an Eu that wants to punish a country and it’s people......

 

[Joey66]

Even the bit about Crispin Odey? Cashing in you say........a £7.5BN punt on the pound....nice.

There are more crooks in suits than tracksuit tops = fact.........

 

[magicjuan]

Last time I looked Joe, Blair wasnt involved in leading a campaign. You may as well say Great Aunt Nell voted to Remain. Point is, you agree with folk like Farage, Boris, and Rees Mogg. Who did head up your campaign.

End Of, as you would say.

edit. And come to think of it, you dont like Corbyn, (remain/Labour), you dont like Blair, (remain/Labour), what actual living Socialist do you believe tells the truth? Farage?

There's a part of that which causes issue. This 'agree with Farage, Johnson etc'. That doesn't tally. People who voted remain 'agree with' May, Cameron etc.
I voted leave and get offended by the comparison. On what basis, an x in a box? Would you consider me to have xenophobic values, to descriminate on the basis of colour or ethnicity? To have short term interests and wish more sufferance on the less well off?
Tony Benn, Bob Crowe, Dennis Skinner, socialists, have genuine grievances with the EU, detailed in many earlier posts in this thread by myself and others. I have no issue in that comparison, but Farage? Do me a favour. The presumption that all leave voters are rampant nazis had done as much to maintain problems with discourse throughout this entire farce as anything else.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Tony Benn, Bob Crowe, Dennis Skinner, socialists, have genuine grievances with the EU, detailed in many earlier posts in this thread by myself and others. I have no issue in that comparison, but Farage? Do me a favour. The presumption that all leave voters are rampant nazis had done as much to maintain problems with discourse throughout this entire farce as anything else.

Tony Benn and Bob Crowe have been dead some time before Brexit referendum. Not sure they can be held accountable for their views over a vote and debate that was held after their deaths.

 

[peteblue]

There's a part of that which causes issue. This 'agree with Farage, Johnson etc'. That doesn't tally. People who voted remain 'agree with' May, Cameron etc.
I voted leave and get offended by the comparison. On what basis, an x in a box? Would you consider me to have xenophobic values, to descriminate on the basis of colour or ethnicity? To have short term interests and wish more sufferance on the less well off?
Tony Benn, Bob Crowe, Dennis Skinner, socialists, have genuine grievances with the EU, detailed in many earlier posts in this thread by myself and others. I have no issue in that comparison, but Farage? Do me a favour. The presumption that all leave voters are rampant nazis had done as much to maintain problems with discourse throughout this entire farce as anything else.

This is part of the issue. Some Remainers wish to paint the Leavers with the same brush, but we are all different and have differing reasons to want to leave......

 

[Joey66]

There's a part of that which causes issue. This 'agree with Farage, Johnson etc'. That doesn't tally. People who voted remain 'agree with' May, Cameron etc.
I voted leave and get offended by the comparison. On what basis, an x in a box? Would you consider me to have xenophobic values, to descriminate on the basis of colour or ethnicity? To have short term interests and wish more sufferance on the less well off?
Tony Benn, Bob Crowe, Dennis Skinner, socialists, have genuine grievances with the EU, detailed in many earlier posts in this thread by myself and others. I have no issue in that comparison, but Farage? Do me a favour. The presumption that all leave voters are rampant nazis had done as much to maintain problems with discourse throughout this entire farce as anything else.

Well put - Europe is steering to the right - I am a socialist - I voted for free trade in 1975 - not a overblown United states political union which has more waste that we have contributed too long for 40 years if Remain had won by 1.4 million votes this thread would not exist =fact..........

 

[Harryflashman]

There's a part of that which causes issue. This 'agree with Farage, Johnson etc'. That doesn't tally. People who voted remain 'agree with' May, Cameron etc.
I voted leave and get offended by the comparison. On what basis, an x in a box? Would you consider me to have xenophobic values, to descriminate on the basis of colour or ethnicity? To have short term interests and wish more sufferance on the less well off?
Tony Benn, Bob Crowe, Dennis Skinner, socialists, have genuine grievances with the EU, detailed in many earlier posts in this thread by myself and others. I have no issue in that comparison, but Farage? Do me a favour. The presumption that all leave voters are rampant nazis had done as much to maintain problems with discourse throughout this entire farce as anything else.

I typed out a long reply to joe but deleted it , so I’ll reply to you mate . I’m not arguing that a cross section of the community voted in a variety of ways , the stats I say the majority of labour voters voted remain but that doesn’t change the basic fact that certain people with a socialist ideology wanted to leave .

My point, and I’ll stand by it , was joe continually talks about the rich wanting remain , my question was would he accept that a lot of very wealthy people want Brexit and he didn’t reply . The only person , who I’ve particularly noted which could be my fault , bringing wealth repeatedly into the argument is joe who associates remain with wealth . I personally find that a bizarre juxtaposition given some of the incredibly wealthy heavy hitters who funded Brexit .

A lot of people across the spectrum want different things in this debate for different reasons however that doesn’t mean we can discount the fact that right wing nationalism has rallied around the Brexit cause . That obviously doesn’t mean everybody who voted did so for the same reasons but it does mean a lot of them are gathered around your side , that’s just a fact as far as I can see.

 

[magicjuan]

I typed out a long reply to joe but deleted it , so I’ll reply to you mate . I’m not arguing that a cross section of the community voted in a variety of ways , the stats I say the majority of labour voters voted remain but that doesn’t change the basic fact that certain people with a socialist ideology wanted to leave .

My point, and I’ll stand by it , was joe continually talks about the rich wanting remain , my question was would he accept that a lot of very wealthy people want Brexit and he didn’t reply . The only person , who I’ve particularly noted which could be my fault , bringing wealth repeatedly into the argument is joe who associates remain with wealth . I personally find that a bizarre juxtaposition given some of the incredibly wealthy heavy hitters who funded Brexit .

A lot of people across the spectrum want different things in this debate for different reasons however that doesn’t mean we can discount the fact that right wing nationalism has rallied around the Brexit cause . That obviously doesn’t mean everybody who voted did so for the same reasons but it does mean a lot of them are gathered around your side , that’s just a fact as far as I can see.

I think the trick on this element is to seperate individual wealth from corporate wealth and you would likely see opposing sides taken there.
Appreciate the response though

 

[magicjuan]

Tony Benn and Bob Crowe have been dead some time before Brexit referendum. Not sure they can be held accountable for their views over a vote and debate that was held after their deaths.

It isn't accountability it's views. They were both anti EU for socialist reasons and it would have been difficult lumping them in with Farage et al. No different for me.