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abelard said:
Well, the Civil Service is trying no doubt, but the scale of what would actually be involved is just so far beyond what any sort of last minute secret planning could resolve... it's no more trying to kick back the tide, really. Remember the futility of it all from @nsno-chris's accounts, and that is just one of thousands of issues that will need sorting.

"Leaving on WTO terms" should in theory involve a sort of barebones haphazard deal to keep the planes flying and the medicine cabinets full. But the EU will still demand the divorce bill, which means some Tories will probably even then still vote against it. And the European Parliament has to approve the final deal too, so even that bare minimum is not a certainty. There will be considerable opposition in Europe to deal that results in a hard Irish border.

If it is not a catastrophe on day one, it certainly will be soon enough, when the ports back up and tarriffs on everything to and from Europe immediately kick in
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Kind of what I meant mate. Big ticket stuff, say German cars to pluck a likely subject for discussion, will see an agreement pretty quickly cobbled together, whether importing cars, or parts for Mini assembly lines. Too much at stake on the German side.

But as you allude to, the sheer scale and depth of agreements from German cars to tat being imported from China, (I deliver most of it ffs) is off the scale.
 
roydo said:
Kind of what I meant mate. Big ticket stuff, say German cars to pluck a likely subject for discussion, will see an agreement pretty quickly cobbled together, whether importing cars, or parts for Mini assembly lines. Too much at stake on the German side.

But as you allude to, the sheer scale and depth of agreements from German cars to tat being imported from China, (I deliver most of it ffs) is off the scale.
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The cars could still be sold here, but it would almost certainly take forever to get them through the ports, and they would have tarriffs affixed. British "just in time" auto production, on the other hand, would grind to a halt within hours. I don't think these things would be sorted quite so quickly, as the government would be utterly overwhelmed by the magnitude of the emerging crises.
 
Leaving on WTO terms benefits no one. If there is no deal in place, the can will be kicked down the road, all sides will agree on more time, say 2022 or something. Unfortunately this will just prolong uncertainty in the UK economy.
The key to all this in NI. The UK needs to elect a government that doesn't rely on the DUP. Then there can then be a deal struck that will keep NI in the UK but also the single market. Then, with no land border, the UK and EU can hammer out a deal.
The UK needs a general election and an outright majority for one party otherwise the rot will, well and truly, set in.
 
roydo said:
I personally think that an awful lot of work is being done in the shadows to prevent chaos, which lets face it, benefits no one.

That said, I am also absolutely certain that plenty of things we take 100% for granted now, will be missed, leading to that awful phrase, unintended consequences.
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The only 2 things that can avoid total chaos are us agreeing a deal or the EU agreeing an extension to A50.

The early days and weeks will be utterly disastrous and I sincerely hope that the charlatans who’ve been spouting about no deal being a tremendous opportunity and the very real issues spelt out by experts, business leaders and trade organisations that they’ve written off as ‘project fear MKII’, I hope they’re brought to book, all of them, and made fully accountable for their ignorance or wilful misleading of the populous (take your pick). Patel, Jenkyns, Mogg, Johnson, Davis and the rest of the lunatic Brextremist fringe. Every last one of them.
 
Everyone knows it's disaster to leave the European union. .surprised to see any brexit voters brazen enough to speak if the genies not out of the bottle for you now
You need to check the facts out there
 
wikofootball said:
Everyone knows it's disaster to leave the European union. .surprised to see any brexit voters brazen enough to speak if the genies not out of the bottle for you now
You need to check the facts out there
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Why’s it a disaster mate, what are these facts of which you speak.......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
He's not the bastion of free market principles at all. He's just a big tit. If anything, he's a rampant opponent of globalisation.
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About time someone highlighted the hilarious irony that his £73k a year EU pension and the £117k he’ll get from the EU when we leave next year to help his ‘transition’ forms part of the reason we’re having to pay a ‘divorce’ bill.

@Joey66
 
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