Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Dymak]

The EU would have to agree to said limitations though, which I doubt they will

They don't have to do a deal at the end of the day

I am 95% certain that free movement will remain once the negotiations are finished, and I fear what will happen at that point, because people could get exceedingly angry

Lots of people were 95% certain that the remain vote would win. Those people ended up being 95% wrong.

I think people are underestimating the political will to place some control on immigration. There's nothing wrong with performing a bit of due diligence on who is coming to live and work with you. Such a system focuses on the merits of the person and not their nationality. There are plenty of trade agreements in existence that do not include an agreement on free movement of people.

 

[Lee Smith]

That awkward moment when a remain campaigner assumes you voted for Brexit....

lol Never actually got round to watching that film, probably pointless now as I must have seen that ending 100 times so it wouldn't really be much of a twist ending for me

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Why do the agencies employ exclusively from abroad - are they breaking the law in paying less than the minimum (soon to be living) wage? Or are they using zero-hours contracts or utilising other loop-holes?

Again, we agree on the problems, but not the solutions. I don't see the answer as stopping immigration, it should be stopping those agencies, otherwise the situation will not improve - British people will still have awful job opportunities and be paid a poor wage.

Poorly paid, maybe. That's up to the unions to obtain and maintain their rights.

But out of work and with less opportunities open to them, less likely to be; and therefore less likely to go through the draconian DWP sanctioning regime - Which should be abolished anyway, as well as the totally stupid 'workfare' scheme.

Not one union I know of has spoke out about the workfare scheme...McCluskey's hailed it, previously.

 

[ianefc]

They'll drive the UKIP vote up at the next election though..

Are they not already in charge?

 

[harry]

Whilst I'm sure you and plenty of others voted rationally and had future generations in mind, I'd wager that there was also plenty of people who voted against dem der evil immigrants and considered little else.



You're right of course, scaremongering from one side and posturing from the other. The biggest shame really is the way those overpaid spilt schoolboys have gone about the whole thing, not an ounce of sincerity between them. I guess we just all pull together to make the best of it now.

You are blaming the older voters for not considering your future but what about the non voters who believe mostly come Dom young voters.

 

[neil999]

I'm guessing ukip will continue to existing turn to stuff like European human rights law, climate change agreements, general immigration etc...long time before we see end of farage, sigh

 

[Lee Smith]

Lots of people were 95% certain that the remain vote would win. Those people ended up being 95% wrong.

I think people are underestimating the political will to place some control on immigration. There's nothing wrong with performing a bit of due diligence on who is coming to live and work with you. Such a system focuses on the merits of the person and not their nationality. There are plenty of trade agreements in existence that do not include an agreement on free movement of people.

Very well put that

 

[daza_1973]

lol Never actually got round to watching that film, probably pointless now as I must have seen that ending 100 times so it wouldn't really be much of a twist ending for me

Considering it's a 70's film it does possess a rather sinister quality - still worth a watch even if you can work out the ending now.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I think so mate, but sincerley hope not. The opposition to the above, is that Ireland now sits attractively on the Western frontier of Europe for Multi Nationals with a high skilled, educated, English speaking work force which may now be more attractive then Britain to outside investment, multi nationals and companies leaving the Uk with the restrictions doing trade in the UK are likley to have. We also have very "competitive" rates of corporation tax, some would scandiously so.

Personally i do think it will impact our own recovery, which is why i hope Britain stays in the free market, but i dont think that will happen. Certainly i think Ireland will be one of Britains closest allies in future negotiations.

*Searches Mutzo family lineage for Irish ancestry

 

[Toffeelover]

I see the remain camp have got a million signatures calling for a new vote with certain recommendations, appears mainly to originate in London.

I wonder if it had be the other way with a similar margin and the leave camp called for a new vote would the remain camp be agreeable.

 

[Tramps_mate]

lol Never actually got round to watching that film, probably pointless now as I must have seen that ending 100 times so it wouldn't really be much of a twist ending for me

What film is it? Is that Donald Sutherland?

 

[The Esk]

I suspect we are in for a very sharp recession. Seems to me that most companies will reduce, delay or cancel investment plans until the country's future status is much clearer.

Such a drop in investment reduces economic activity and will create a technical recession at least until the first quarter next year. How long it lasts depends upon how quickly we can establish our future trading status with Europe.

Sadly and inevitably this will lead to job losses.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Lots of people were 95% certain that the remain vote would win. Those people ended up being 95% wrong.

I think people are underestimating the political will to place some control on immigration. There's nothing wrong with performing a bit of due diligence on who is coming to live and work with you. Such a system focuses on the merits of the person and not their nationality. There are plenty of trade agreements in existence that do not include an agreement on free movement of people.

There's so much more at stake here than simple immigration control - The future for our children to study, work and live in any European Country has just been cruelly snatched away. Personally I couldn't give a toss about a bunch of Turks or Romanians moving here. History has shown us time and time again that immigration fuels growth, innovation and increases productivity.

 

[ianefc]

I suspect we are in for a very sharp recession. Seems to me that most companies will reduce, delay or cancel investment plans until the country's future status is much clearer.

Such a drop in investment reduces economic activity and will create a technical recession at least until the first quarter next year. How long it lasts depends upon how quickly we can establish our future trading status with Europe.

Sadly and inevitably this will lead to job losses.

*sighs deeply

It's crap

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Come on mate, there's ways to say things and this isn't one of them.

Grouch, I'm fed up of the same thing from that side of the argument. People like deadsoft give very little room to manoeuvre, and when they do, it all boils down to the same default reasoning with them.

I gave him the chance to read between the lines and he more or less dismissed a big part of his own case.

I get called a 'nut' for holding my views, but when I point out the glaring omission that they've failed to notice, they dismiss that, too?!

They don't listen, and that's why they lost.

I'm off the off-licence.