roydo
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But that means that Cameron didnt know either, oh, hang on, yeah, spot on.
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But that means that Cameron didnt know either, oh, hang on, yeah, spot on.
So how can we say he failed?
tsubaki
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TBF Bruce I think people would be on relatively solid ground if they just assumed David Cameron failed when confronted with any question about the past ten years.
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The 0% was what he came back with......
Maybe, but it's a slippery slope when you base your decisions on purely emotional reasoning rather than any kind of factual basis. Especially as most folk have taken exactly that path with the biggest decision of our generation.
roydo
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Bloke on Talksport summed this all up today. (Oh the irony).
"You should never ask the British public a question you hope they will answer the way you want to. We just love putting the boot into the establishment. Its why we nearly ended up with a ship called Boaty McBoatface"
Hard to disagree.
"You should never ask the British public a question you hope they will answer the way you want to. We just love putting the boot into the establishment. Its why we nearly ended up with a ship called Boaty McBoatface"
Hard to disagree.
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That’s not true though is it....
Cameron went for a jolly with his mates at the EU. He didn't really want to change anything but thought he should show willing, so along with the EU he cobbled something together and came back to the UK and insulted everyone by saying he'd got a good deal. I think that is a reasonable summing up.
Soundbites again. Say exactly what he went there aiming to achieve and exactly what he came back with (without Googling it as you seem to know off the top of your head)
*Jeez, I feel like I'm turning into James O'Brien.
Read it carefully Bruce. I said its a 'summing up'. Tell me where it differs from what happened.
I'd like to know your specific beef rather than generic one.
But the people weren't happy with that deal and wanted someone to take a stronger stance against the EU so that Britain could take back powers from Brussels and have a set up more like the EEC. So the politicians set about convincing the public that Cameron wasn't strong enough on the EU. The people liked this and at the next election, a majority of MP's supporting a tougher stance on Europe were elected and sent a new Prime Minister with a public mandate to negotiate with Europe. This PM got far greater concessions from Europe and took back a lot of control for Westminster.
Or...
Having failed at negotiating with the EU, Cameron called a referendum with no plan in place for how to leave, lost, resigned, left another remainer in charge who messed up negotiations which was inevitable because there was never a plan in place or majority political support to get a deal done.
There were two ways to get what you wanted out of Europe and a knee jerk referendum to shut up rowdy back benchers was the wrong one. Especially on the back of the Scottish referendum which relied heavily on British nationalism. It was easy for the far right to hijack national sentiment and convince people that there was a simple short cut to get what they want.
Cameron is a prat. Will that do?
Interesting speculation but I can only speak for myself. I made my own decision and was not influenced by any 'far right', the media, or the governments 'vote remain' pamphlet. I did my own research and had no hesitation in voting 'leave'.
It's probably as insightful an answer to my question as I could hope for. He went there for you know not what, came back with you know not what, and you are frustrated for reasons you can't verbalise. There's a reason for leaving the EU in there somewhere, but I know not where.
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