Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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It's been mentioned before Pete, crashing out with no deal means planes can't fly, nuclear materials can't be handled...

The 'open skies agreement' is close to finalising with the US. It will be finalised with the EU. Bruce, if you think that planes wont fly, then which of the following do you think will apply? I only provide this one example, there are dozens.
In 2015 13 million holidaymakers went from the UK to Spain. This year they reckon all records will be broken. So the EU decides that UK planes can't fly to EU countries. Spain, with a fragile-ish economy and youth unemployment which is amongst the worst in the western world, (something the EU should be thoroughly ashamed of) suddenly has a (14/15 million x holiday spend) hole in their budget. Their youth unemployment (heavily dependent on tourism/holiday traffic) goes through the roof as well. Now, Bruce, what do you think the reaction of the Spain government will be? Let me give you two suggestions - tick one box only.

1. The Spain government will write a letter to Juncker and Barnier congratulating them on sticking it to the Brits and ensuring that the EU Project is alive and well.

2. The Spain government will descend on Brussels mob-handed, banging fists on desks and demanding that Brussels sort it out.

The unelected, unaccountable elite in Brussels are already on the back foot over migration. That will pale into insignificance compared with the flack they will get if they play silly beggars over trade.
The first phase of the Brexit negotiations addressed technical issues. The next phase affects the REAL WORLD and it will be the real world issues that decide the outcome, not bureaucrats in Brussels ivory towers.

PS I know nuclear materials are dangerous, do the EU provide special gloves for handling it?lol
 
The 'open skies agreement' is close to finalising with the US. It will be finalised with the EU. Bruce, if you think that planes wont fly, then which of the following do you think will apply? I only provide this one example, there are dozens.
In 2015 13 million holidaymakers went from the UK to Spain. This year they reckon all records will be broken. So the EU decides that UK planes can't fly to EU countries. Spain, with a fragile-ish economy and youth unemployment which is amongst the worst in the western world, (something the EU should be thoroughly ashamed of) suddenly has a (14/15 million x holiday spend) hole in their budget. Their youth unemployment (heavily dependent on tourism/holiday traffic) goes through the roof as well. Now, Bruce, what do you think the reaction of the Spain government will be? Let me give you two suggestions - tick one box only.

1. The Spain government will write a letter to Juncker and Barnier congratulating them on sticking it to the Brits and ensuring that the EU Project is alive and well.

2. The Spain government will descend on Brussels mob-handed, banging fists on desks and demanding that Brussels sort it out.

The unelected, unaccountable elite in Brussels are already on the back foot over migration. That will pale into insignificance compared with the flack they will get if they play silly beggars over trade.
The first phase of the Brexit negotiations addressed technical issues. The next phase affects the REAL WORLD and it will be the real world issues that decide the outcome, not bureaucrats in Brussels ivory towers.

PS I know nuclear materials are dangerous, do the EU provide special gloves for handling it?lol

Even as one who voted to stay, my understanding is the subject of aviation is a massive red herring.

The CAA control over 60% of the air routes across the Atlantic to the US that must be used by EU countries. They say we cant fly to Spain? The EU cant really fly to New York.
 
Jacob Rees Mogg is setting up an investment fund in Ireland to avoid UK uncertainty surrounding Brexit. This is the person who said there was "nothing to fear" a few days ago. What a hypocrite.
 
Even as one who voted to stay, my understanding is the subject of aviation is a massive red herring.

The CAA control over 60% of the air routes across the Atlantic to the US that must be used by EU countries. They say we cant fly to Spain? The EU cant really fly to New York.

Indeed, and the ROI which raised the issue of the U.K. not flying in their airspace is actually fully surrounded by U.K. airspace and U.K. controlled airspace...
 
The 'open skies agreement' is close to finalising with the US. It will be finalised with the EU. Bruce, if you think that planes wont fly, then which of the following do you think will apply? I only provide this one example, there are dozens.
In 2015 13 million holidaymakers went from the UK to Spain. This year they reckon all records will be broken. So the EU decides that UK planes can't fly to EU countries. Spain, with a fragile-ish economy and youth unemployment which is amongst the worst in the western world, (something the EU should be thoroughly ashamed of) suddenly has a (14/15 million x holiday spend) hole in their budget. Their youth unemployment (heavily dependent on tourism/holiday traffic) goes through the roof as well. Now, Bruce, what do you think the reaction of the Spain government will be? Let me give you two suggestions - tick one box only.

1. The Spain government will write a letter to Juncker and Barnier congratulating them on sticking it to the Brits and ensuring that the EU Project is alive and well.

2. The Spain government will descend on Brussels mob-handed, banging fists on desks and demanding that Brussels sort it out.

The unelected, unaccountable elite in Brussels are already on the back foot over migration. That will pale into insignificance compared with the flack they will get if they play silly beggars over trade.
The first phase of the Brexit negotiations addressed technical issues. The next phase affects the REAL WORLD and it will be the real world issues that decide the outcome, not bureaucrats in Brussels ivory towers.

PS I know nuclear materials are dangerous, do the EU provide special gloves for handling it?lol

I think we may see some backing off of positions in the next few weeks. If we don’t then I’m still happy to go to WTO trade...May has suggested that the EU may now invite us back into Galileo, personally I’d tell them to stuff it, take out our investment and do our own thing to the benefit of U.K. aerospace companies.....
 
Indeed, and the ROI which raised the issue of the U.K. not flying in their airspace is actually fully surrounded by U.K. airspace and U.K. controlled airspace...

I dont pretend to understand it that much, but my brother is law is a long haul BA captain, and he said to me a while ago that its all a pile of crap. IDS was on Radio 5 earlier, and said pretty much the same.
 
Seems you're not alone:

Stereotypes of “Brits abroad” usually centre on retirees sat in pubs draped in the Union Jack flag. Britons living overseas are well aware of these, and for the most part, they’re keen to avoid being seen to live in a “little Britain”.
In contrast to the staunch attachment to Britain and Britishness implied by this stereotype, my survey of 909 pro-Remain Britons living in other EU countries, found a more ambivalent relationship to their nationality and home country one year after the June 2016 referendum.
People took part in the online survey from 20 countries across the EU in June 2017. The largest share of respondents (48%) lived in France, followed by Spain (34%). Respondents were predominantly recruited via advocacy groups for citizens’ rights set up in the wake of the referendum, such as British in Europe. This meant that the survey was far more likely to engage with those who were against the result of the referendum, who made up 97% of respondents.
The responses to the survey expressed a wide register of emotions at the EU referendum result, from anger, through hope, to indifference. But two emotions were especially prominent: shame and loss.
Respondents were asked about their national identities, plans for the future and reflections on the EU referendum. Many of the Remain supporters described a common shift from a feeling of pride in their nationality to one of shame. Following the EU referendum, they felt that the UK was characterised by increasing xenophobia and insularity. One British woman in her fifties, who’d been living in Greece for 11 years, said:
I’m ashamed of being British given the xenophobia and racism that has been unleashed by the referendum. This is not who ‘I’ am.​
A ‘kick in the gut’
Many respondents used dramatic language to convey a visceral sense of loss. There appeared to be a rupture between what respondents thought the UK was and what it had become. A man in his twenties who had been living in Spain for less than a year said:
I feel like the country I belong to has gone. Call me dramatic but the referendum vote was a real kick in the gut, I feel as though mean-spirited people have robbed me of my country and my future. England isn’t the country I always thought it was.​
Rallying against Brexit in Manchester. Peter Byrne/PA Archive
Another woman in her 30s who had been living in Belgium for nine years said she used to feel a very close link to the UK, until the referendum vote:
After I felt like this link had been broken – I did not understand the reasons behind the Leave vote and felt like the outcome, as well as its subsequent implementation in policy, did not reflect my understanding of the UK. I no longer felt British, if this is what being British meant. This actually caused me to have a strong identity crisis.​
Many respondents also grieved the potential loss of their European citizenship and identity. A small minority told of having their European registered cars keyed when they travelled back to the UK or feeling uneasy about speaking another European language in public. This group felt that being perceived as continental Europeans was met with hostility in the UK. In contrast, most reported that neighbours and colleagues in the other EU countries where they lived were overwhelmingly supportive, bar a few jokes along the lines of: “I suppose you’ll have to leave now?”
A small number voiced a new sense of humility about their previous understandings of social divisions in Britain. There was some empathy for compatriots who had voted Leave because they felt excluded or marginalised. One woman in her sixties who’d been living in France for 15 years, but who’d lived in areas of the UK where a majority voted to leave the EU, said she didn’t “condemn those whose lives were badly affected by austerity”. She added:
Some of my feelings of being born into a reasonably fair-minded, tolerant and charitable society have been rocked: perhaps those feelings were based on myths and the truth is that UK society is no better than many others and it is necessary to understand each others’ positions, to listen with some humility and to work and fight for the future of the young of the UK and EU and the rest of the world.​
The 2016 referendum provoked feelings of shame and loss in Britons living on the continent. Nick Ansell/PA ArchiveRenegotiating national identity and belonging
On the face of it, expressions of shame and loss in relation to their national identity distanced the survey respondents from the UK. But, conversely, I think the intensity of their responses showed their ongoing investment in the country. There was a deep and ongoing concern about the UK and its affairs among Britons who had emigrated to live elsewhere in the EU.
Expressions of shame and loss among those surveyed are perhaps a way of reorganising their attachment to the UK in the face of a political landscape they are uncomfortable with – something that has also been tracked among Britons in the UK. In this way, the findings highlighted some of the adjustments and accommodations around national identity and belonging that Remain supporters went through in the year following the EU referendum.

Source: https://theconversation.com/british...feelings-of-shame-and-loss-after-brexit-97835
Ha joke you got a hankie utter tosh travelling went on before We joined the EU...
Or the common market in fact in the 1960,s my older brother obtained a tempory months passport from the post office for a holiday in the new resort in Spain Benidorm....
Cost Haf a crown 12 and A halp pence ! For his passport.....
 
Ha joke you got a hankie utter tosh travelling went on before We joined the EU...
Or the common market in fact in the 1960,s my older brother obtained a tempory months passport from the post office for a holiday in the new resort in Spain Benidorm....
Cost Haf a crown 12 and A halp pence ! For his passport.....

And again. I want to live in the 1950s.
 
I dont pretend to understand it that much, but my brother is law is a long haul BA captain, and he said to me a while ago that its all a pile of crap. IDS was on Radio 5 earlier, and said pretty much the same.

Don’t tell Bruce though.....
 
And again. I want to live in the 1950s.

It was crap mate. We were still rebuilding after the war, everyone was proper skint, not like today’s ‘austerity’, but as Joey says, you could leave your door open, because there was absolutely nothing inside worth stealing.....
 
Ha joke you got a hankie utter tosh travelling went on before We joined the EU...
Or the common market in fact in the 1960,s my older brother obtained a tempory months passport from the post office for a holiday in the new resort in Spain Benidorm....
Cost Haf a crown 12 and A halp pence ! For his passport.....
I got a cardboard one from the post office to go to Rotterdam to see us win the cup winners cup, think it lasted a year still got it somewhere..
A lot of flights are covered by international treaties like the Montreal treaty, the EU one the open skys, is more to do with an open market, stopping national airlines for instance from restricting access to routes .
 
I got a cardboard one from the post office to go to Rotterdam to see us win the cup winners cup, think it lasted a year still got it somewhere..
A lot of flights are covered by international treaties like the Montreal treaty, the EU one the open skys, is more to do with an open market, stopping national airlines for instance from restricting access to routes .
Another project fear tactic by the remaoners........
 
Old Blue has broken free and wandering around the grounds again. Please report any sightings of him, his family are very worried

Prev talking sh1te again.

Old Blue preparing for heavy rehearsals for gigs in August with a dep drummer...

Other material things keeping me very active, but you would not in the least be interested... ;) :bye:
 
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