Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Joey66 said:
For the EU ...google it they have a history of reversing referendum results - not this time though the way they have behaved has hardened the out vote imo
If out did win we would be back to square one or would it be the best of three?
If Remain did win we would go back on far worse terms ......
Plus as I stated you would have to reverse an act of Parliment, and article 50
There would be legal battles everywhere......
I agree it's a mess I stated from day one it should have been a coalition of Labour brexiteers and Tory brexiteers negotiating with the EU.....
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It’d be nothing to do with the EU ffs, the deadlock is due to the complete lack of agreement within our own parliament on what exactly Brexit meant and how we should deliver the result of the last referendum. It’s likely to end in complete deadlock.

At that point passing it back to the electorate to decide whether they want to accept the final deal proposal or not, plus giving them a further definitive choice should the answer be no, sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Whatever the outcome it’d be the will of the people remember....so reversing the A50 bill and the withdrawal bill if required would be little more than Parliamentary process. Have you got anything to back up your claim that if we reversed A50 then we’d have worse terms?

If the Brextremists are right then Mays proposal would be voted against and no deal would romp it, and if that’s how it panned out then there could be no further argument.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
It’d be nothing to do with the EU ffs, the deadlock is due to the complete lack of agreement within our own parliament on what exactly Brexit meant and how we should deliver the result of the last referendum. It’s likely to end in complete deadlock.

At that point passing it back to the electorate to decide whether they want to accept the final deal proposal or not, plus giving them a further definitive choice should the answer be no, sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Whatever the outcome it’d be the will of the people remember....so reversing the A50 bill and the withdrawal bill if required would be little more than Parliamentary process. Have you got anything to back up your claim that if we reversed A50 then we’d have worse terms?

If the Brextremists are right then Mays proposal would be voted against and no deal would romp it, and if that’s how it panned out then there could be no further argument.
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So no negotiations ever so far have taken place with the EU...
they have deliberately let Trade last on the agenda its there listed agenda we foolishly agreed to follow.....
As soon as we agreed the divorce bill it should have been on the terms that trade and the irish border sorted there , and then ......
Of course it's the EU fault they have been setting the timetables since day one! Trade the most important one has come last..........
 
roydo said:
Not entirely sure Brexit would have a majority support in the HOC no matter who won the GE
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They would have had enough to pass Brexit lite; the only objections would have been from the foreign-sponsored elements in the ERG who wouldn't have had enough numbers to turn it over.
 
Joey66 said:
For the EU ...google it they have a history of reversing referendum results - not this time though the way they have behaved has hardened the out vote imo
If out did win we would be back to square one or would it be the best of three?
If Remain did win we would go back on far worse terms ......
Plus as I stated you would have to reverse an act of Parliment, and article 50
There would be legal battles everywhere......
I agree it's a mess I stated from day one it should have been a coalition of Labour brexiteers and Tory brexiteers negotiating with the EU.....
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There would be no legal battles if they revoked Article 50 before it was implemented (edit: ie, before we left).
 
Joey66 said:
So no negotiations ever so far have taken place with the EU...
they have deliberately let Trade last on the agenda its there listed agenda we foolishly agreed to follow.....
As soon as we agreed the divorce bill it should have been on the terms that trade and the irish border sorted there , and then ......
Of course it's the EU fault they have been setting the timetables since day one! Trade the most important one has come last..........
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The Irish border issue is our problem as it’s of our making.

It’s taken this shower over 2 years to agree a negotiating stance ffs and they’ve still not managed it! and you reckon that’s somehow the EU’s fault? lol
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
The Irish border issue is our problem as it’s of our making.

It’s taken this shower over 2 years to agree a negotiating stance ffs and they’ve still not managed it! and you reckon that’s somehow the EU’s fault? lol
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TBH the Irish border issue - and the much greater rights enjoyed by citizens of the Republic compared to other EU citizens - was the stick that a competent UK government should have beaten the EU with.

Sadly our government is not competent.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
The Irish border issue is our problem as it’s of our making.

It’s taken this shower over 2 years to agree a negotiating stance ffs and they’ve still not managed it! and you reckon that’s somehow the EU’s fault? lol
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The EU set the negotiations agenda can't you get thst pint - yes they should have been put right , but the criteria was set by them as we foolishly trusted them......
 
Kate Hoey is my MP, and she has been a fantastic constituency MP, but she is really going to get hammered for this at the next election. Field as well.
 
tsubaki said:
Kate Hoey is my MP, and she has been a fantastic constituency MP, but she is really going to get hammered for this at the next election. Field as well.
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Yes they just won tonight so now the EU will reject most of it 3 Labour voters won it for the government- you can't blame them a third of Labour voters voted Out.......
 
Joey66 said:
Yes they just won tonight so now the EU will reject most of it 3 Labour voters won it for the government- you can't blame them a third of Labour voters voted Out.......
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They could (and have) survived being pro-Brexit, even in a constituency as heavily remain as Hoey's is. They have also survived voting to support the Government in its attempts to bring Brexit about, because at the end of the day that is what they believe.

What they probably won't survive is voting to support the ERG's attempt to scupper agreed Government policy that the Government is too weak to stop. How on earth does voting for them benefit the constituents of Birkenhead, Vauxhall or Manchester? How on earth does it even help Brexit come about, given that the only message that this farce could possibly have sent to the EU is that May is too weak to pass any agreement they can possibly come to?
 
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