Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Only because of Momentum and the trade union block votes if Corbyn had been ousted you would have a Labour government in power now the Tories are inmelt down and he is level in the polls.....
I will vote Labour when he and Momentum disappear......
Untill then I will not vote!
I tore up my Unite retired membership card left them , but still pay into my other not so militant trade union membership ...

I'm not a member of Momentum, but I was honestly surprised at how 'normal' (whatever that is) its members are when they came over to campaign with us last year.

Nurses, teachers, carers, accountants, people on benefits...

Shocked me a bit.

I've come to a realisation that the establishment aren't really afraid of Corbyn and the Labour Party, they're scared of the masses realising that they've been told to vote against their best interests for the past part of 50 years and acting on that.
 
I'm not a member of Momentum, but I was honestly surprised at how 'normal' (whatever that is) its members are when they came over to campaign with us last year.

Nurses, teachers, carers, accountants, people on benefits...

Shocked me a bit.

I've come to a realisation that the establishment aren't really afraid of Corbyn and the Labour Party, they're scared of the masses realising that they've been told to vote against their best interests for the past part of 50 years and acting on that.
I cannot vote for a party within a party you may have had a good experience with momentum, but the people interviewed high up on the DP seem like Marxist to me.....not socialist lets see how many middle of the road labour MPs get deselected hey.....
 
I cannot vote for a party within a party you may have had a good experience with momentum, but the people interviewed high up on the DP seem like Marxist to me.....not socialist lets see how many middle of the road labour MPs get deselected hey.....

As a Marxist myself, I would love to agree with you - but this is far from the case; much to my personal disappointment.

The vast majority of Momentum members are there to learn about campaigning (as the Labour Party has forgotten how to do it). They're not interested in fighting a class-war, they just want a better society.
 
Only because of Momentum and the trade union block votes if Corbyn had been ousted you would have a Labour government in power now the Tories are inmelt down and he is level in the polls.....
I will vote Labour when he and Momentum disappear......
Untill then I will not vote!
I tore up my Unite retired membership card left them , but still pay into my other not so militant trade union membership ...

i'm not so sure, a middle of the road labour candidate would have got the youth vote out like corbyn did

im personally still hoping for the dream labour/lib dem coallition @Bruce Wayne
 
i'm not so sure, a middle of the road labour candidate would have got the youth vote out like corbyn did

im personally still hoping for the dream labour/lib dem coallition @Bruce Wayne

I'm personally hoping for someone who believes appreciates the enormous benefits globalisation has given to society and is not afraid to say why they think so. At the moment, most seem to get it but are almost ashamed of it.
 
She holds the deciding vote, but to suggest they're powerless is untrue. Firstly they were leading campaigners for Brexit, so that whole will of the people nonsense is in their favour. Secondly, they headed up the Brexit-related departments, so 100% of their job was devoted to Brexit versus a much smaller proportion of May's, as she also has the NHS, defence, education etc. to worry about. Thirdly, for pretty much her entire premiership she has been branded as weak and hopeless. Indeed, many have argued that the only reason Johnson hasn't been sacked for his constant sniping is due to her weakness. The notion that she's suddenly become a Thatcher-like ball breaker seems a stretch. Last, but not least, Davis, Johnson, Fox et al campaigned for Brexit so you would hope had a vision for both what it would be, how it would benefit the country, and how it could be delivered. Their very job was to convince the country of that, and negotiate with the EU to ensure it happened. That was their job. No more, no less. The fact that they failed to even convince their own colleagues either suggests they're useless or their visions were useless.

Johnson and Davis absorb most of the media's attention, but I suspect local voter reaction to people like Ben Bradley resigning matters at least as much, certainly as far as Tory prospects in the next GE are concerned

May can probably win a confidence vote against the ERG, but they can likely still just about sway Mansfield's confidence against her. in other words, she can win the battle, but they can ensure she loses the war.

of course, this would ultimately benefit Corbyn (which May has been at pains to remind them), but if Tory dinosaurs were susceptible to pragmatism or medium-term planning then they wouldn't be Brexit Ultras in the first place.
 
As a Marxist myself, I would love to agree with you - but this is far from the case; much to my personal disappointment.

The vast majority of Momentum members are there to learn about campaigning (as the Labour Party has forgotten how to do it). They're not interested in fighting a class-war, they just want a better society.
Utopia overnight will come at a price.......
 
I'm personally hoping for someone who believes appreciates the enormous benefits globalisation has given to society and is not afraid to say why they think so. At the moment, most seem to get it but are almost ashamed of it.
Bruce can be global outside the EU polictical binding union we trade 20% with them and 80% outside now......
 
Bruce can be global outside the EU polictical binding union we trade 20% with them and 80% outside now......

It's 43% I believe Joe, but facts and all. And by global I also mean free movement of people, something you have repeatedly denied, despite all evidence to the contrary. There hasn't been a single politician worth their salt willing to stand up for that overwhelming evidence precisely because of blinkered, belligerent views like that among the electorate who ignorantly persist with this view that immigration is bad.
 
It's 43% I believe Joe, but facts and all. And by global I also mean free movement of people, something you have repeatedly denied, despite all evidence to the contrary. There hasn't been a single politician worth their salt willing to stand up for that overwhelming evidence precisely because of blinkered, belligerent views like that among the electorate who ignorantly persist with this view that immigration is bad.

Bruce, I'm not against immigration but I think it has to be controlled. I would be interested in knowing if your 'free movement of people' is 'open door' as per Blair and Merkel, or controlled.?
 
Bruce, I'm not against immigration but I think it has to be controlled. I would be interested in knowing if your 'free movement of people' is 'open door' as per Blair and Merkel, or controlled.?

Free movement = free movement. If it's controlled, it isn't free. The free movement of people across the EU has been one of the most substantial political achievements of the 20th century.
 
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