Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

No, there really isn’t.

Current U.K. sales don’t impact on model life cycles unless there’s a catastrophic world wide event like in ‘08.

Don’t forget that a high proportion of U.K. built vehicles aren’t for the U.K. market.

I’ve accepted no mitigating factors in the investment cycle - which was my point. I accepted there were mitigating factors in the sales volumes - which was yours, but my original point was solely about investment.

In 2015 the investment in U.K. automotive manufacturing was £2.5BN, in 2016 that had come down to £1.66BN, last year it was £1.1BN And in the first 6 months of 2018 it was £347m. Those are the facts, as are the warnings given out by all of the manufacturers with U.K. facilities.

Do you understand Just in time deliveries and how components cross the channel sometimes multiple times during the production process? If so, why don’t you get just why they’re so nervous about future long term investment in the U.K.? Combine that with potential tariffs for a large proportion of their production volume and anyone would be holding back on investment until there was some genuine clarity. It really ain’t that complicated.

Do you understand product investment cycles ? Investment doesn’t go up and up every year, sometimes you invest and then reap the rewards later, which provides the funding for new product investments. What were the figures for 2010,11,12,13,14,15 from whoever you got your numbers.?......

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Do you understand product investment cycles ? Investment doesn’t go up and up every year, sometimes you invest and then reap the rewards later, which provides the funding for new product investments. What were the figures for 2010,11,12,13,14,15 from whoever you got your numbers.?......

Indeed, and in times of uncertainty, investment is naturally withheld.

It's why I don't think when Brexits "happens" it'll be the cliff edge many think.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Do you understand product investment cycles ? Investment doesn’t go up and up every year, sometimes you invest and then reap the rewards later, which provides the funding for new product investments. What were the figures for 2010,11,12,13,14,15 from whoever you got your numbers.?......

Yes thanks do you? Do you understand the simple concept of an entire sectors investment levels being a good indicator of the level of confidence in this context?

I posted the numbers for 2015, if you want any more find them yourself.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Indeed, and in times of uncertainty, investment is naturally withheld.

It's why I don't think when Brexits "happens" it'll be the cliff edge many think.

That will depend solely on the outcome, if we end up with a free trade agreement and some workable alternative to the customs union then it’s as you were.

Without either then it won’t be.

 

[peteblue]

Indeed, and in times of uncertainty, investment is naturally withheld.

It's why I don't think when Brexits "happens" it'll be the cliff edge many think.

There will be no ‘cliff edge’ because our product trade with the EU is still only a small % of our GDP. The UK’s large and small businesses and pure internal U.K. trade will be affected minimally. The Remainers would have you believe the ‘bogeyman’ will come and eat you. It’s disgraceful nonsense based on their own fear of leaving their comfort zone or losing U.K. funding distributed by the EU. If we can recover from the decimation of the Second World War I’m pretty sure we will deal with differing EU trade arrangements. What Remainers always fail to mention is that ‘the trade won’t go away’ for either the U.K. or the EU, and any minor adjustments will have both positive and negative effects for both sides resulting in sod all of nothing........

 

[peteblue]

Yes thanks do you? Do you understand the simple concept of an entire sectors investment levels being a good indicator of the level of confidence in this context?

I posted the numbers for 2015, if you want any more find them yourself.

Then explain what a product investment lifecycle is......the clue is in the name.

So if the entire defence Industry invests more and more money, what does that tell you ?

So you have the numbers do you, come on post the complete picture and tell us your analysis. The fact is whatever the numbers are, they are still open to opposite opinions......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Then explain what a product investment lifecycle is......the clue is in the name.

So if the entire defence Industry invests more and more money, what does that tell you ?

So you have the numbers do you, come on post the complete picture and tell us your analysis. The fact is whatever the numbers are, they are still open to opposite opinions......

So all manufacturers investment cycles correlate do they? Their model replacement cycles complete merge? Do you have even the vaguest clue or are you just being your usual contrary self?

There’s maybe war on?

Find them yourself

 

[Ruairi77]

Boris hit the nail right on the head with his ‘suffocated by needless self-doubt’ comment

haha, was that before or after he said Britain would be reduced to the status of a colony... hahaha lunatic!

 

[peteblue]

So all manufacturers investment cycles correlate do they? Their model replacement cycles complete merge? Do you have even the vaguest clue or are you just being your usual contrary self?

There’s maybe war on?

Find them yourself

It’s you that drew conclusions from investment numbers that were going down, facts I think you referred to them as, now you seem to be questioning your own assumptions. What factors do you think affect investment in say the car industry ? Btw, I do have more than the vaguest clue.

So you say if investment in defence goes up, there is a war on ? The U.K. just built two 70,000 ton aircraft carriers (in process) and will invest many £Billions putting aircraft and personnel on board. Which war are we fighting ?

Come on now, they’re your numbers, just post them.......

 

[peteblue]

haha, was that before or after he said Britain would be reduced to the status of a colony... hahaha lunatic!

Lunatic or genius?......

 

[Methuselah]

There will be no ‘cliff edge’ because our product trade with the EU is still only a small % of our GDP. The UK’s large and small businesses and pure internal U.K. trade will be affected minimally. The Remainers would have you believe the ‘bogeyman’ will come and eat you. It’s disgraceful nonsense based on their own fear of leaving their comfort zone or losing U.K. funding distributed by the EU. If we can recover from the decimation of the Second World War I’m pretty sure we will deal with differing EU trade arrangements. What Remainers always fail to mention is that ‘the trade won’t go away’ for either the U.K. or the EU, and any minor adjustments will have both positive and negative effects for both sides resulting in sod all of nothing........

Exactly right peteblue. The EU have an 80bn trade advantage over the UK. Currently, the EU are on the back foot with member states over migration. People forget that the only involvement in Brexit negotiations within the EU is with the Brussels elite. Member states have been (deliberately) excluded. If the EU starts playing hard ball on trade, they will find themselves on the back foot with member states by a factor of about ten.

 

[Ruairi77]

Lunatic or genius?......

errmmm. lunatic, I'll definitely go for lunatic!!

 

[Number_25]

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the next Prime Minister.

 

[Number_25]

In seriousness, I can't help but enjoy this.

Was told countless times that the Labour Party were unelectable, and that we'd never see power for as long as we still to our principles.

How the tide has changed.

 

[roydo]

In seriousness, I can't help but enjoy this.

Was told countless times that the Labour Party were unelectable, and that we'd never see power for as long as we still to our principles.

How the tide has changed.

When were they elected?