Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Genius, let's take 'back control' then give it away to another, less predictable party whose market is further away, far smaller, have no say whatsoever, and that doesn't respect the precautionary principle.
But tariffs....

There are so many incorrect elements in this sentence.....do you have any knowledge of product design or international sales, or even the comparison of the US v Eu market size once we’ve left..........just asking for a friend.......

 

[orchard]

There are so many incorrect elements in this sentence.....do you have any knowledge of product design or international sales, or even the comparison of the US v Eu market size once we’ve left..........just asking for a friend.......

Obviously for a friend, otherwise you would have provided something concrete.

 

[peteblue]

Obviously for a friend, otherwise you would have provided something concrete.

Yet you didn’t answer my question......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

More like your Project fear - Sir Digby Jones top business man was on LBC this am - former trades minister - former Ford jaguar headman - a strong Brexiter - pointed out the latest report on Brexit at those plants is true .....but the press for get if we leave on WTO terms they forgot to mention the car industries in Germany - France - Italy etc etc would face the same tarifs so not in the EUs favour.....as they export more cars to us they would be out of pocket!
However he did say the Government , and the Opposition had made a complete Dogs mess in negotiations as trade should have been no 1 on the agenda after the agreed Divorce bill.......
he stated we will get a trade deal he would bet his property on it...... as the EU have more to lose as we have.....

None of which has any relevance whatsoever to my actual post...*sigh* #standard


German cars though, fish, blue passports, FISH, 17.4 million! Out! FISH.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So it’s not that one is a conservative or one is UKIP, it’s because they voted Leave. Or maybe they are both men so it’s the fault of men. I hope you are enjoying the current warm weather, compliments of Brexit......

No, they were both leading voices in the Leave campaigns and they’re both now advocating plugging domestic funding gaps with the overseas aid budget.

Shame you’ve swerved actually answering the point with yet more deflection and a poor attempt at being a smart arse.

 

[peteblue]

No, they were both leading voices in the Leave campaigns and they’re both now advocating plugging domestic funding gaps with the overseas aid budget.

Shame you’ve swerved actually answering the point with yet more deflection and a poor attempt at being a smart arse.

But all you are doing is trying to smear 17.4Million Brexit voters based on your assumption of two individuals expressing their own opinion. No need for personal attacks btw.......let’s keep a sense of civility......

 

[peteblue]

None of which has any relevance whatsoever to my actual post...*sigh* #standard


German cars though, fish, blue passports, FISH, 17.4 million! Out! FISH.

Is this now the standard of remainer debate......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

But all you are doing is trying to smear 17.4Million Brexit voters based on your assumption of two individuals expressing their own opinion. No need for personal attacks btw.......let’s keep a sense of civility......

Where did I ‘smear’ anyone in my posts about overseas aid? No idea why you’ve felt the need to go into victim mode either.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Is this now the standard of remainer debate......

No, it about sums up the level of the Leave debate, and it was supposed to be light hearted given it was in response to the umpteenth time irrelevant ‘whataboutery’ has been posted by Joey to deflect away from the actual disucssion point.

 

[peteblue]

Anyway Remainers, I’ve asked this question before and it was either ignored or just used as an EU sales pitch, but I’ll ask again. What is it about an Independent U.K. that you are frightened of ?........

 

[peteblue]

No, it about sums up the level of the Leave debate, and it was supposed to be light hearted given it was in response to the umpteenth time irrelevant ‘whataboutery’ has been posted by Joey to deflect away from the actual disucssion point.

It was a joke.......

 

[edge]

Given the fact that we'll soon be able to automate many jobs through the application of both Artificial Intelligence and Robotics, and how global capital is as fluid as it has ever been - how are we as a nation of 63 million people able to unilaterally fight against these free-market forces?

If we were to attempt to 'stem' the usage of these technologies, multi-national companies will simply be able to negotiate a tax-settlement as to ensure that no 'real' losses are made through the avoidance of said tools. Moreover, how are we going to unilaterally raise corporation tax as to guarantee the future of our NHS?

intresting question about robotics, the obvious answer would be to invest in them and try and lead the world in the field, but thats easier to say rather than do.
In or out of the EU its something we are going to all have to face in the future.
i dont see any government really setting out its stall to manage them, although there could come at time when they have to.
Could end up with a complety diffrent society , if the jobs are being done by robotics who has the money to buy the things they produce or the services they provide, if so why build them if there isnt a consumer market for them in the end.
mind blowing stuff.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Anyway Remainers, I’ve asked this question before and it was either ignored or just used as an EU sales pitch, but I’ll ask again. What is it about an Independent U.K. that you are frightened of ?........

I can't speak for others, but tolerance and cooperation are near the top for me. Whether it's supply chains, scientific research or common standards, the world is characterised today by cooperation between nations, and the EU was arguably the leading example of that in the world. The debate, both on here and further afield, has been all about trade, and by proxy tariffs, when global trade is very little about tariffs these days. It's about access to global talent (which means high migration levels), it's about shared standards (which means other people making rules for us), it's about seeing others as friends rather than rivals. None of that has come across in this debate at all.

Another thing that concerns me tremendously in this, although it's not directly linked, is the ignorance of facts and thoughtful consideration. The derision of 'experts' if you like. I don't think anyone will claim to believe 'experts' are right all of the time, or even a lot of the time, but you have a choice between thinking hard about a situation, and not thinking about it and hoping. We've veered towards the latter, and that's not a wise position to be in. Trump is that writ large, but we're doing our best to ape him.

intresting question about robotics, the obvious answer would be to invest in them and try and lead the world in the field, but thats easier to say rather than do.
In or out of the EU its something we are going to all have to face in the future.
i dont see any government really setting out its stall to manage them, although there could come at time when they have to.
Could end up with a complety diffrent society , if the jobs are being done by robotics who has the money to buy the things they produce or the services they provide, if so why build them if there isnt a consumer market for them in the end.
mind blowing stuff.

Fears of robots making us all unemployed have been massively overplayed by journalists who are chasing a headline.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Incidentally, a nice piece in the NYT about Germany - https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/05/opinion/germanys-political-crisis-has-just-begun.html and the ignorance of facts in favour of fear based politics. Might be worth reading for you @peteblue and @Joey66

For all its shortcomings, Europe has actually managed the crisis quite well, in practice. Its external borders are stronger, and better policed and managed. Cooperation with Libya’s border-patrol militias, however ethically suspect, has brought down the numbers crossing from that country to Italy. So has the agreement with Turkey to host migrants in return for financial aid. In 2015, more than 450,000 pleas for asylum were filed; in 2016, about 745,000. So far this year, there have been only 68,000.
According to figures by the German Federal Agency for Migration and Refugees, only about a quarter of those applying for asylum in Germany in 2018 are already registered in another European country. This means that the C.S.U. risked blowing up the government to push through a regulation that applies to about 100 individuals a day, scattered over all of Germany’s points of entry.​

But she is pessimistic about the politics:

Whatever respite Germany may have gained this week is offset, and then some, by the arrival of a new and frightening political dynamic. Mr. Seehofer succeeded by going nuclear; chances are, he won’t be the last. The politics of fear and menace may be here to stay, undermining the foundations of democracy. In sound democracies, policies are the results of compromise between parties representing a majority of the voters. Through the politics of artificial crisis, minorities take the system hostage. They create policies redeeming fictional problems for fictional majorities.​

 

[orchard]

Yet you didn’t answer my question......

Ha, use the opportunity to educate me Pete, some of us appreciate truth more than sophistry, and any facts that you are aware of that counter what I stated above would be preferable to your usual type of response.