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[Joey66]

Finally, a backbone appears in the House of Commons.

If more were prepared to do what's best for their constituents we'd be in a better place, but too many feel hamstrung and can't speak out.

He's not representing his constituents they voted out by 76 percent .......

 

[Tubey]

His constituents voted to Leave.......

He's not representing his constituents they voted out by 76 percent .......

You misunderstand - I said he's prepared to do what's best for his constituents by doing the job he has been elected to do. Not be bound by one ridiculous decision of national self-harm.

If he's only there to do only what his constituents say in a referendum, why have MPs at all - you may as well have a referendum on everything.

This is what you lot don't understand - the referendum was non-binary, as in advisory; the MP should still be able to do what he thinks is best, because that's his job.

 

[bring the ghost on]

It’s a bit stupid to insinuate that Leave voters are simply against immigration and that is why they voted to leave.

Many /most of us weighed up the pros and cons and believed that leaving was the better choice for our future.

It still beggars belief to me that people like you believed what George Osborne told you, when all the economic evidence since has proven otherwise.....

Pete, when have I insinuated that leave voters are all racists or haven’t considered the pros and cons?

 

[bring the ghost on]

It's the Remain voters like you who have to take it on the chin and move on. But you lot don't like being told that. A bit rich you suggesting that to a Leave voter - hilarious!

Again, lumping everyone in to two categories and generalising.

I’d rather we remained in the EU, but I don’t moan or lose sleep about it - it is what it it is.

It’s just odd to see you on here day after day calling Remain voters bedwetters, luddites, blah blah. As I say - victim complex.

The EU, in case you hadn't noticed, is moving towards a totally centralised State, with Germany as its core both geographically (a fact), financially (a fact, it has been Merkel calling the tune regarding the Euro and what happens around the currency), militarily (a central European army), politically (we have to toe the line as to what the EU tells us to do) and legally. Apart from that... Now, if you can't see any of that, then there's nothing more I can say on the subject...

I had noticed those things, but they are missing some very vital ingredients for a comparison to a Nazi Empire OB2, Jesus.

 

[Joey66]

You misunderstand - I said he's prepared to do what's best for his constituents by doing the job he has been elected to do. Not be bound by one ridiculous decision of national self-harm.

If he's only there to do only what his constituents say in a referendum, why have MPs at all - you may as well have a referendum on everything.

This is what you lot don't understand - the referendum was non-binary, as in advisory; the MP should still be able to do what he thinks is best, because that's his job.

It's a ridiculous decision in your eyes - not in 17.4 million other voters it's called democrocy - I hope he gets deselected any politician who goes against his constituents from any party = the same treatment....

 

[Old Blue 2]

1. Again, lumping everyone in to two categories and generalising.

I’d rather we remained in the EU, but I don’t moan or lose sleep about it - it is what it it is.

It’s just odd to see you on here day after day calling Remain voters bedwetters, luddites, blah blah. As I say - victim complex.



2. I had noticed those things, but they are missing some very vital ingredients for a comparison to a Nazi Empire OB2, Jesus.

1. In case you hadn't noticed, it's the Remainers who have been the continual cryers in this thread. Those who voted leave simple counter the remarks they make.
And I'm not in here day after day. Nothing like a cheap shot to keep you happy, eh?

2. The comparions regarding what I posted were outwith the atrocities comitted by the Nazi regime. They are two separate and distinct things. Jesus, can't you see that?

 

[tsubaki]

It's a ridiculous decision in your eyes - not in 17.4 million other voters it's called democrocy - I hope he gets deselected any politician who goes against his constituents from any party = the same treatment....

You are chatting absolute wham here.

MPs are only worth a damn if they vote honestly based on what they believe - not what their constituents belief was two years ago, nor what it is now, nor how the Party tells them to vote, nor how the people who fund them want them to vote, nor how the papers tell them / threaten them into voting. For our democracy to work they have to assess each proposal honestly - that for years many of them have not done so is why our country is in the mess that it is in.

I share very few political opinions with Dr Phillip Lee, but if he genuinely believes these negotations have been a disaster (and they have been) and will defy the Government whip to vote accordingly then good luck to him*.

* edit - plus of course if any MP genuinely thinks that Parliament having a meaningful vote at the end of the deal is a bad thing then they are incompetent

 

[Tubey]

You are chatting absolute wham here.

MPs are only worth a damn if they vote honestly based on what they believe - not what their constituents belief was two years ago, nor what it is now, nor how the Party tells them to vote, nor how the people who fund them want them to vote, nor how the papers tell them / threaten them into voting. For our democracy to work they have to assess each proposal honestly - that for years many of them have not done so is why our country is in the mess that it is in.

I share very few political opinions with Dr Phillip Lee, but if he genuinely believes these negotations have been a disaster (and they have been) and will defy the Government whip to vote accordingly then good luck to him.

Yep.

He's just made a good point in the HoC actually - he compared it to the view on the death penalty, where for years the electorate would have voted yes to reintroducing it if it went to a referendum, but parliament refused to do it, as they were evidence-led rather than emotionally led on the subject.

It really is a similar situation - we "hire" MPs to effectively do a job; binding them to a non-binary referendum stops them doing that job.

People like Joey don't understand what a referendum is actually meant to be. It's not a system of governance, because it's open to abuse from dictators ruling by plebiscite. That's why we actually have the House of Commons.

 

[peteblue]

You misunderstand - I said he's prepared to do what's best for his constituents by doing the job he has been elected to do. Not be bound by one ridiculous decision of national self-harm.

If he's only there to do only what his constituents say in a referendum, why have MPs at all - you may as well have a referendum on everything.

This is what you lot don't understand - the referendum was non-binary, as in advisory; the MP should still be able to do what he thinks is best, because that's his job.

He had his vote, a) to allow the referendum, b) as an ordinary voter, c) to enact article 50. He has already done what he thinks is best, or was he wrong previously.......

 

[peteblue]

You misunderstand - I said he's prepared to do what's best for his constituents by doing the job he has been elected to do. Not be bound by one ridiculous decision of national self-harm.

If he's only there to do only what his constituents say in a referendum, why have MPs at all - you may as well have a referendum on everything.

This is what you lot don't understand - the referendum was non-binary, as in advisory; the MP should still be able to do what he thinks is best, because that's his job.

He had his vote, a) to allow the referendum, b) as an ordinary voter, c) to enact article 50. He has already done what he thinks is best, or was he wrong previously.......

 

[bring the ghost on]

1. In case you hadn't noticed, it's the Remainers who have been the continual cryers in this thread. Those who voted leave simple counter the remarks they make.

Proper chicken and egg this - I can only say that whenever I tend to dip into this thread (rarely), you’re usually in here ranting and raving.

2. The comparions regarding what I posted were outwith the atrocities comitted by the Nazi regime. They are two separate and distinct things. Jesus, can't you see that?

Seriously - how can you compare something to a Nazi state and then later say that the comparison excludes atrocities, fascist ideology, suppression and ideology?

I think you should concede that it’s a pretty poor comparison.

 

[bring the ghost on]

1. In case you hadn't noticed, it's the Remainers who have been the continual cryers in this thread. Those who voted leave simple counter the remarks they make.

Proper chicken and egg this - I can only say that whenever I tend to dip into this thread (rarely), you’re usually in here ranting and raving.

2. The comparions regarding what I posted were outwith the atrocities comitted by the Nazi regime. They are two separate and distinct things. Jesus, can't you see that?

Seriously - how can you compare something to a Nazi state and then later say that the comparison excludes atrocities, fascist ideology, suppression and ideology?

I think you should concede that it’s a pretty poor comparison.

 

[tsubaki]

He had his vote, a) to allow the referendum, b) as an ordinary voter, c) to enact article 50. He has already done what he thinks is best, or was he wrong previously.......

This is the level to which the Brexiteer debate has sunk - that you've decided to go to a restaurant, you've ordered a meal, but now it turns up with a huge turd draped across the plate rather than the fillet mignon that you could have sworn you ordered you have to eat it and anyone that doesn't is a traitor.

 

[peteblue]

Yep.

He's just made a good point in the HoC actually - he compared it to the view on the death penalty, where for years the electorate would have voted yes to reintroducing it if it went to a referendum, but parliament refused to do it, as they were evidence-led rather than emotionally led on the subject.

It really is a similar situation - we "hire" MPs to effectively do a job; binding them to a non-binary referendum stops them doing that job.

People like Joey don't understand what a referendum is actually meant to be. It's not a system of governance, because it's open to abuse from dictators ruling by plebiscite. That's why we actually have the House of Commons.

Indeed, the electorate would have voted for it, and fewer people would have been murdered as a result. We do not hire an MP to do a job, they are there to represent their constituency.....

 

[peteblue]

This is the level to which the Brexiteer debate has sunk - that you've decided to go to a restaurant, you've ordered a meal, but now it turns up with a huge turd draped across the plate rather than the fillet mignon that you could have sworn you ordered you have to eat it and anyone that doesn't is a traitor.

No, you’re going in a group to a restaurant, all vote and a majority decide a steak house, then the egotist in the group insists we go to a sushi bar......