Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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Remainer ex Tory politician in Brexit outburst shocker.......
If anyone thinks the EU is great watch the political mess in the three part Channel 4 series on the waste of two parliaments with the snouts in the trough all Polictical parties and the EU beurocrats at their worst!
No wonder negotiations are slow in that berocratic hellhole!...."
 
If anyone thinks the EU is great watch the political mess in the three part Channel 4 series on the waste of two parliaments with the snouts in the trough all Polictical parties and the EU beurocrats at their worst!
No wonder negotiations are slow in that berocratic hellhole!...."

At best Brexit negotiations have replicated this supposed political mess on Westminster.
 
If anyone thinks the EU is great watch the political mess in the three part Channel 4 series on the waste of two parliaments with the snouts in the trough all Polictical parties and the EU beurocrats at their worst!
No wonder negotiations are slow in that berocratic hellhole!...."

I doubt anyone other than the lunatic Liberal fringe thinks the EU is "Great" Joe. I certainly dont.

But we now see what many feared. Drift, confusion, political games, and huge uncertainty, based on the weasel words from the likes of Farage and Boris.
 
If anyone thinks the EU is great watch the political mess in the three part Channel 4 series on the waste of two parliaments with the snouts in the trough all Polictical parties and the EU beurocrats at their worst!
No wonder negotiations are slow in that berocratic hellhole!...."

This is the truly maddening thing about Brexit though.

We will leave the EU and any hope for sane reform over there leaves with us; meanwhile we will become at best something akin to Thailand or an oil-poor Dubai for all the Yanks, Russians and various other people who want to clean up their money. Everyone loses, apart of course from the people responsible for it who will all by then be green-card holding guest commentators on Fox who go on and on about how "socialism" is to blame for what happened to their beloved land.
 
I doubt anyone other than the lunatic Liberal fringe thinks the EU is "Great" Joe. I certainly dont.

But we now see what many feared. Drift, confusion, political games, and huge uncertainty, based on the weasel words from the likes of Farage and Boris.
There are worse weasels in the EU Parliment sack um all imo watching that shower at work makes FIFA look democratic lol
 
If anyone thinks the EU is great watch the political mess in the three part Channel 4 series on the waste of two parliaments with the snouts in the trough all Polictical parties and the EU beurocrats at their worst!
No wonder negotiations are slow in that berocratic hellhole!...."

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I doubt anyone other than the lunatic Liberal fringe thinks the EU is "Great" Joe. I certainly dont.

But we now see what many feared. Drift, confusion, political games, and huge uncertainty, based on the weasel words from the likes of Farage and Boris.

It's not 'great' until you look at what things were like in Europe prior to its formation, or indeed what things are currently like in Italy, the Visegrad and even here. It certainly looks great compared to a France had Le Pen got in, or the Netherlands had Wilders won there. These are the people Joe is putting his hat in with, whether he accepts that or not.
 
It's not 'great' until you look at what things were like in Europe prior to its formation, or indeed what things are currently like in Italy, the Visegrad and even here. It certainly looks great compared to a France had Le Pen got in, or the Netherlands had Wilders won there. These are the people Joe is putting his hat in with, whether he accepts that or not.
It's a bureaucratic nonsense Bruce you forgot to show the two parliaments, one for debate timed 2 minutes on the floor while the commissioners waffle on, and Strasberg where they vote costing millions to go there once per month - No private company could survive with those overheads - its not in charge of a country bruce its two talking shops, that Europe does not need! end of no wonder we voted brexit 17. 4 million of us ONE MILLION more people than Remoaners!
 
It's a bureaucratic nonsense Bruce you forgot to show the two parliaments, one for debate timed 2 minutes on the floor while the commissioners waffle on, and Strasberg where they vote costing millions to go there once per month - No private company could survive with those overheads - its not in charge of a country bruce its two talking shops, that Europe does not need! end of no wonder we voted brexit 17. 4 million of us ONE MILLION more people than Remoaners!

I voted remain so why am I a remoaner ? You voted to Brexit , you won I don’t understand why you get so angry and upset about winning it makes no sense to me.
 
end of no wonder we voted brexit 17. 4 million of us ONE MILLION more people than Remoaners!
By 2020 the Brexit majority of 2016 will have literally died out. Based on the number of annual deaths, their demographic and the voting average of that demographic.
 
In, out, in out and shake it all about. The Tories have well and truly messed up big time with this. Trying to gain political advantage over Corbyn by 'leading the nation to the promised land ' whilst waving the union jack, has backfired spectacularly. They have now accepted that leave doesn't actually mean leave. But they will attempt to dress it up as 'we really are leaving' but all that will happen is that a few words will get changed to sound like something 'different', but will fork out billions more than they needed to have done to stay in the EU. The next election can't come quick enough to get rid of these incompetent buffoons.

Pro-Brexit Tory MPs concede staying in EU customs union into next decade is 'only viable option'
Verdict backed by Jacob Rees-Mogg and other leading Brexiteers – because of cabinet’s failure to agree what kind of trading and customs arrangements it wants


Staying in EU customs union into next decade likely to be 'only viable option', pro-Brexit Tory MPs agree.
Pro-Brexit Tory MPs have agreed that staying in the EU customs union into the next decade is likely to be the “only viable option”, in a new report.

The cabinet’s failure to agree what kind of trading and customs arrangements it wants after the UK leaves the bloc is condemned by the Brexit Committee.

It concludes that, because neither option put forward by No 10 will be ready by the end of the planned transition in December 2020, remaining in the customs union for longer will be inevitable.



UK legally bound to pay £39bn Brexit bill 'before EU trade deal'
Significantly, the select committee’s members include Jacob Rees-Mogg and other leading Brexiteers – and its report is unanimous despite splits over key Brexit controversies in the past.

The committee also raises the alarm over the failure to explain how the rights of British citizens in other EU countries will be protected after Brexit.

While the Home Office had at least announced what EU citizens in this country will need to do, other member states “don’t appear to have begun to plan”, the MPs warn.

The criticisms come after HMRC appeared to torpedo the technology-based “max fac” proposal favoured by Brexiteers, after revealing it would cost businesses up to £20bn a year.

However, Theresa May’s preferred “customs partnership” – which would see the UK collect EU tariffs – has also been rejected by Brussels and cannot be implemented before 2023 anyway.

Brexit threatens life on the Irish border: in picture

“We are rapidly running out of time to get new trade and customs arrangements in place,” said Hilary Benn, the committee’s Labour chairman.

“Given that ministers are indicating that neither of the two options being discussed are likely to be ready by December 2020, when the transition period ends, the UK will in all likelihood have to remain in a customs union with the EU until alternative arrangements can be put in place.”

The conclusion comes after Ms May told the EU she would accept a so-called backstop option to avoid a hard Irish border, keeping the UK partially aligned with customs rules after 2020.

The prime minister still argues it is unlikely to be needed, but the Brexit Committee disagrees and urges No 10 to set out “any contingency plans as a matter of urgency”.

Its report concludes: “The secretary of state [David Davis] has ruled out any extension of the customs union but, in the absence of any other plan, such an extension will be the only viable option.”

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Mr Benn stressed that the clock is ticking to agree a solution for the Irish border, saying: “The EU is expecting clarification from ministers by the time of the European Council meeting in June about how the backstop will work.

“The government needs to come forward with its proposals as soon as possible to demonstrate how an open border, with no checks and no infrastructure, can be maintained.”

The Home Office has been criticised for failing to guarantee the full rights of the 3 million EU citizens in this country and for making them pay for “settled status” after Brexit.

But Mr Benn said the situation was more alarming for British ex-pats, warning: “EU member states don’t appear to have begun to plan for or communicate how British citizens will be able to regularise their stay.

“Ministers should seek urgent clarification from other member states on this because British citizens need to know where they stand.”
 
The issues in Italy are really shining a light on the way the EU operates. The people vote for a government, an Eu supporter effectively undermines the government because he doesn’t like an anti EU ministerial appointment. The Eu bureaucrats pour scorn on Italian voters for daring to vote they way that they wish. Meanwhile, a country that is the third largest economy in the Eurozone, a net contributor, receives lectures from a German, who should have previously been sacked, patted on the head and have an interim pro EU PM foisted on them.

Imagine if the U.K. had a Labour/Lib Dem government elected and the Queen refused to accept a ministerial appointment because they were anti Eu, the government was disbanded,some nice chap from the IMF was brought in as PM and then we get the EU lectures and scorn......some may laugh it off because it’s Italy, but it would be no laughing matter if it happened here.......
 
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