Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
Status
Not open for further replies.
interesting elections in Italy wonder how this will end up?

Italy will do it’s usual fudge of a coalition. It will last 12 months, fall apart, rinse and repeat. In between the EU will find a way to convince the Italians that everything is fine and buy off a few politicians (I’m surprised they haven’t reconsidered the joke of a vote to locate the EMA, but I expect they now might), France and Germany will involve them in a triumvirate to make decisions to make them feel good, and it will pass over. Unemployment will still be high, all the parties are promising the moon so expenditure and debt will go up, immigration will continue unabated.......
 
Italy will do it’s usual fudge of a coalition. It will last 12 months, fall apart, rinse and repeat. In between the EU will find a way to convince the Italians that everything is fine and buy off a few politicians (I’m surprised they haven’t reconsidered the joke of a vote to locate the EMA, but I expect they now might), France and Germany will involve them in a triumvirate to make decisions to make them feel good, and it will pass over. Unemployment will still be high, all the parties are promising the moon so expenditure and debt will go up, immigration will continue unabated.......
sadly very true
 
I see the EU are now saying that British car license holders will not be able to drive in the EU without an International Driving Permit. Not that they are trying to punish the U.K. of course...

Also, “Jean-Claude Piris, who served as head of the EU council's legal service for more than 20 years, launched an attack on the Prime Minister in which he demanded "honesty" from the government on Brexit's consequences.

He added that the EU's "doors are still open", hinting at an acceptance in Brussels that the UK could remain in the bloc despite the referendum result.

His comments came in response to the Prime Minister's speech last week where she laid out "hard facts" on Brexit, warning that "no-one will get everything they want" from the negotiations.

While Mr Piris welcomed aspects of the speech, he criticised the government's insistence that the UK will leave the single market and customs union.”

And this of course is why they are doing everything they can to make this as difficult as possible. Aided by the comforting words of our own remainers, the worst possible deal will be offered in the hope that we will reverse our decision......
 
I see the EU are now saying that British car license holders will not be able to drive in the EU without an International Driving Permit. Not that they are trying to punish the U.K. of course...

Also, “Jean-Claude Piris, who served as head of the EU council's legal service for more than 20 years, launched an attack on the Prime Minister in which he demanded "honesty" from the government on Brexit's consequences.

He added that the EU's "doors are still open", hinting at an acceptance in Brussels that the UK could remain in the bloc despite the referendum result.

His comments came in response to the Prime Minister's speech last week where she laid out "hard facts" on Brexit, warning that "no-one will get everything they want" from the negotiations.

While Mr Piris welcomed aspects of the speech, he criticised the government's insistence that the UK will leave the single market and customs union.”

And this of course is why they are doing everything they can to make this as difficult as possible. Aided by the comforting words of our own remainers, the worst possible deal will be offered in the hope that we will reverse our decision......

er - we are leaving the EU, Pete. The reciprocal acceptance of standards, including driving, is a consequence of that.
 
Hahaha......

After weeks of warnings from Brussels on “cherry-picking” and “having your cake and eating it”, Ian Duncan Smith hit out at EU leaders.

He praise Theresa May for her speech and then said...

“When she gets into negotiations with her European counterparts about trade arrangements, could she remind them that cake exists to be eaten and cherries exist to be picked.”

A cheap joke, and being pedantic is not what the saying ‘having your cake and eating it’ is about, but funny nevertheless...
 
er - we are leaving the EU, Pete. The reciprocal acceptance of standards, including driving, is a consequence of that.

I do believe that is understood and accepted by the leave voters in this thread. Reciprocal arrangements across the board on all issues.

It would appear the remain voters in this thread, since the day after the vote, have consistently pronounced doom and gloom for the UK from then on and into post-Brexit while still championing the cause of staying in.

I do find this thread amusing in the extreme...
 


Good, air travel is overrated anyway....

Of course they missed this bit out.....

Negotiators are confident of an eventual agreement to keep open the busy UK-US routes, which account for more than a third of current transatlantic flight traffic. But there are legal and political obstacles that could impede the two sides from reaching a deal in time to give legal certainty to airlines booking flights a year in advance.
“We have every confidence that the US and UK will sign a deal that is in everyone’s interests and that IAG will comply with the EU and UK ownership and control regulations post Brexit,” said International Airlines Group, which owns British Airways. Virgin Atlantic said it remained “assured that a new liberal agreement will be reached, allowing us to keep flying to all of our destinations in North America”.
 
Last edited:
Good, air travel is overrated anyway....

Of course they missed this bit out.....

Negotiators are confident of an eventual agreement to keep open the busy UK-US routes, which account for more than a third of current transatlantic flight traffic. But there are legal and political obstacles that could impede the two sides from reaching a deal in time to give legal certainty to airlines booking flights a year in advance.
“We have every confidence that the US and UK will sign a deal that is in everyone’s interests and that IAG will comply with the EU and UK ownership and control regulations post Brexit,” said International Airlines Group, which owns British Airways. Virgin Atlantic said it remained “assured that a new liberal agreement will be reached, allowing us to keep flying to all of our destinations in North America”.

Missed the bit about vague platitudes?
 
Brexit
EU Brexit adviser deals blow to Theresa May's free-trade proposal


Stefaan de Rynck says single market requires more than mutual recognition of standards



Tue 6 Mar 2018 00.54 GMTLast modified on Tue 6 Mar 2018 07.19 GMT


The advisor to Michel Barnier, the European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator, pictured, has raised a number of objections to points in Theresa May’s Mansion House speech Photograph: Scanpix Denmark/Reuters
Theresa May’s chances of securing a deep free-trade deal with the EU were dealt a blow when Stefaan de Rynck, the main adviser to the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, stressed that the rules of the single market required far more than her chief proposal – a mutual recognition of standards.

May claimed in her speech last Friday that the UK could negotiate a future trade relationship based on mutual recognition of standards overseen by a third party court, made up of EU and UK nominees.

But De Rynck said: “The EU has moved away in the wake of the financial crisis from mutual recognition of national standards to a centralised approach with a single EU rule book and common enforcement structures and single supervisory structures.”

He added that EU rules were clear that the European court of justice could intervene at any point to declare that mutual recognition of standards was undermining the single market’s integrity.

Such principles were neither empty or legalistic dogma, he said, but fundamental to the integrity of the single market and autonomy of the EU.

His remarks, at a special LSE lecture in London on Monday night, are probably the fullest from the European commission since May made her speech and suggest her proposals for a future trading relationship will be dead on arrival, unless EU member states sympathetic to UK interests decide the commission’s interpretation of the single market is too rigid.

De Rynck insisted there was no sign of division among the EU 27 member states or European institutions, warning the UK that “it would be very unwise to break down that unity”.

He also claimed EU businesses, faced by a choice, “are more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the EU single market than any loss of access to British markets”, implying EU business is in no mood to press the commission to compromise in the talks.

He also warned the UK that there was no appetite to extend the talks on UK’s exit beyond the current timetable of March 2019, and if the UK was to seek to rescind its proposals to withdraw from the EU set out out in its article 50 letter, this would not be just be a matter for a UK unilateral move, but require collective response by EU member states.

De Rynck said there was little precedent for third parties, including the UK after Brexit, to secure participation in key EU agencies, such as the European Medical Agency, saying the only three exceptions were countries such as Norway that were members of the European Economic Area Agreement (EEA). The UK has ruled out being an EEA member since it would require the UK to accept the free movement of people.

He also defended the commission from criticism that its proposals, unveiled last week setting out a fall-back position on the future of the north-south Irish border if no other agreement could be reached, represented an over-reach by the EU or an infringement of UK sovereignty.

He said the full legal text prepared by the commission on the fall-back option was necessary since it would have been “complacent for the EU to leave such a sensitive issue as a backstop solution to the very last moment of the negotiations”.


Brexit weekly briefing: get a regular rundown on the debates and developments as Britain trundles ever closer to the exit from the European Union
He pointed out that there had been a joint EU-UK commitment last December to defend the Good Friday agreement, adding the EU 27 was heavily invested in the Irish peace process.

He added it was a fantasy to suggest that it was the EU that was seeking to impose a north-south border, saying such a border was a legal necessity for the UK, and was a product of the UK decision to leave. He said “Who is asking for a border? Brexit is asking for a border”.

He refused to speculate on how long the transition might last, or if it would extend beyond December 2020, saying the transition could only be agreed once the withdrawal agreement was settled".
 
In the above post, I find this interesting:
"...But De Rynck said: “The EU has moved away in the wake of the financial crisis from mutual recognition of national standards to a centralised approach with a single EU rule book and common enforcement structures and single supervisory structures.”
He added that EU rules were clear that the European court of justice could intervene at any point to declare that mutual recognition of standards was undermining the single market’s integrity..."


Is he missing a singular point here? Doe he think that 'out' means the UK is still subject to what the EU says and decides to impose on us? Does this still apply to the UK: 'common enforcement structures and single supervisory structures' when we are out, gone, completely detached from the EU?

Am I missing something here, or is this guy somewhat misguided? Please enlighten me...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Welcome

Join the Everton conversation today.
Fewer ads, full access, completely free.

🛒 Visit Shop

Support Grand Old Team by checking out our latest Everton gear!
Back
Top