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FT economics editor:

An analysis by the pro-Brexit advocacy group Economists for Free Trade says the potential gains from the UK government’s favoured route to leaving the EU would provide a 2 to 4 per cent boost to national income in the long term. The results contrast with the unpublished internal Whitehall analysis suggesting a 2 to 8 per cent loss of national income from any plausible Brexit policy.

While Economists for Free Trade say their analysis has “comprehensively debunked” the Whitehall results because it accurately models “the clear objectives of government policy as stated by the prime minister in her Lancaster House speech”, anyone interested in UK economic policy must wonder what to make of these differences.

As far as we know, this time the divergent results do not stem from a fundamental difference in the type of economic modelling. In the new paper, obtained by the Financial Times, Economists for Free Trade praise Whitehall officials for adopting a type of trade model they favour. It bases its results on a published paper from the Canadian group Ciuriak Consulting, which specialises in trade modelling.

Three questions arise. Has Economists for Free Trade chosen reasonable assumptions, which best describe Britain’s current position and the policy choices? Has it reflected the Ciuriak Consulting paper fairly? And why does it achieve its headline results?

The answer to the first question on the assumptions used is an unequivocal “no”. Economists for Free Trade assume Brexit Britain has no tariffs on trade with the rest of the world, no non-tariff barriers with any country, and that border costs with the EU will be zero. The paper is clear on the last point. “We have assumed for the purposes of modelling that border costs are effectively zero,” it says.

On tariffs, British government policy is not to drop all import tariffs unilaterally, but to “do trade deals”. Dropping all non-tariff barriers is an assumption not just that Britain would say yes to chlorine-washed chicken, but also to lead paint on toy imports and cars with no emission standards at all. It specifically contradicts David Davis’s assertion of government policy, made in the Brexit secretary’s speech this week, that Britain will not seek a deregulated “Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction”. And assuming no border costs at Dover specifically ignores the EU’s insistence, recognised by Britain, on the importance of its own regulatory autonomy.

The assumptions, therefore, are nothing like government policy. They are absurd.

The second question also produces a negative assessment. Not content with the results of the unilateral free trade option in the Ciuriak paper, Economists for Free Trade decided simply to multiply the benefits of that policy by five. Because it is inconvenient, it also ignores the paper’s conclusion that “the present value of the benefits of continued participation in the borderless [EU] single market would likely dominate, since the additional trade costs imposed by a . . . border would continue to be incurred indefinitely”.

The answer to the third question, then, is that Economists for Free Trade achieve their positive results simply because they assume leaving the EU has no trade costs and only potential benefits. There are also no costs associated with deregulation and only benefits.

Put rubbish into a model and rubbish will spew out.

This analysis should not be viewed as anything other than special pleading. If this is the sort of work that is influential among ministers and underpins policy, Britain’s economy is not in safe hands.
 
FT economics editor:

An analysis by the pro-Brexit advocacy group Economists for Free Trade says the potential gains from the UK government’s favoured route to leaving the EU would provide a 2 to 4 per cent boost to national income in the long term. The results contrast with the unpublished internal Whitehall analysis suggesting a 2 to 8 per cent loss of national income from any plausible Brexit policy.

While Economists for Free Trade say their analysis has “comprehensively debunked” the Whitehall results because it accurately models “the clear objectives of government policy as stated by the prime minister in her Lancaster House speech”, anyone interested in UK economic policy must wonder what to make of these differences.

As far as we know, this time the divergent results do not stem from a fundamental difference in the type of economic modelling. In the new paper, obtained by the Financial Times, Economists for Free Trade praise Whitehall officials for adopting a type of trade model they favour. It bases its results on a published paper from the Canadian group Ciuriak Consulting, which specialises in trade modelling.

Three questions arise. Has Economists for Free Trade chosen reasonable assumptions, which best describe Britain’s current position and the policy choices? Has it reflected the Ciuriak Consulting paper fairly? And why does it achieve its headline results?

The answer to the first question on the assumptions used is an unequivocal “no”. Economists for Free Trade assume Brexit Britain has no tariffs on trade with the rest of the world, no non-tariff barriers with any country, and that border costs with the EU will be zero. The paper is clear on the last point. “We have assumed for the purposes of modelling that border costs are effectively zero,” it says.

On tariffs, British government policy is not to drop all import tariffs unilaterally, but to “do trade deals”. Dropping all non-tariff barriers is an assumption not just that Britain would say yes to chlorine-washed chicken, but also to lead paint on toy imports and cars with no emission standards at all. It specifically contradicts David Davis’s assertion of government policy, made in the Brexit secretary’s speech this week, that Britain will not seek a deregulated “Mad Max-style world borrowed from dystopian fiction”. And assuming no border costs at Dover specifically ignores the EU’s insistence, recognised by Britain, on the importance of its own regulatory autonomy.

The assumptions, therefore, are nothing like government policy. They are absurd.

The second question also produces a negative assessment. Not content with the results of the unilateral free trade option in the Ciuriak paper, Economists for Free Trade decided simply to multiply the benefits of that policy by five. Because it is inconvenient, it also ignores the paper’s conclusion that “the present value of the benefits of continued participation in the borderless [EU] single market would likely dominate, since the additional trade costs imposed by a . . . border would continue to be incurred indefinitely”.

The answer to the third question, then, is that Economists for Free Trade achieve their positive results simply because they assume leaving the EU has no trade costs and only potential benefits. There are also no costs associated with deregulation and only benefits.

Put rubbish into a model and rubbish will spew out.

This analysis should not be viewed as anything other than special pleading. If this is the sort of work that is influential among ministers and underpins policy, Britain’s economy is not in safe hands.
So it's safe in a marksist hands when big businesses will leave in droves with a run on th pound under Corbyn and his chancellor?
Borrowing more and more!
 
So David Davis is on record as saying we are going to align ourselves with the EU, not so brave new world but more of the same with less of a say. Im sure the EU will want some legal frame work with some substance and bite to hold us accountable for deviations away from this. So its looking like its remainers are the ones who are going to have the Brexit cake and then eat it...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43120277

Then you must be very happy, congratulations.......
 
I don't know who Mark is, nor what you're whinnying about Joey. You're probably regurgitating scare stories are you?


So it's safe in a marksist hands when big businesses will leave in droves with a run on th pound under Corbyn and his chancellor?
Borrowing more and more!
 
So it's safe in a marksist hands when big businesses will leave in droves with a run on th pound under Corbyn and his chancellor?
Borrowing more and more!


They are beginning to leave anyway, Vauhall in Elsmere are doing away with 650 jobs already, factor in the AA, Centrica and Carllion etc. the rot is well and truly begun. Again look at Centrica £1.25 billion profit and its laying 4000 people off.

Im sure there would be a run on the pound as shareholders bulk and at Government that will reign in their excess profits and tax decreasing meausres, however, they would adjust.

And any new company looking to operate in the UK will want good infrastructure so it can operate at its maximum for minimum outlay. so state spending is paramount, how does it go, speculate to accumalate.

Then you must be very happy, congratulations.......

You’re welcome......
More of the same with less of a say Brexit is indeed Synonymous with hypocrisy.
 
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This quote was from a different thread but I’d like to use it to highlight yet another EU stitch up..

cro¦ny|ism

[ˈkrəʊniɪz(ə)m]

NOUN

derogatory

the appointment of friends and associates to positions of authority, without proper regard to their qualifications.

I would suggest it is rife.


I see that Junckers bag carrier, Martin Selmayr, the guy who briefed the newspapers after a private meeting with our PM, has been appointed to the post of secretary-general of the European Commission. Once again jobs for the boys rules in Brussels......
 
They are beginning to leave anyway, Vauhall in Elsmere are doing away with 650 jobs already, factor in the AA, Centrica and Carllion etc. the rot is well and truly begun. Again look at Centrica £1.25 billion profit and its laying 4000 people off.

Im sure there would be a run on the pound as shareholders bulk and at Government that will reign in their excess profits and tax decreasing meausres, however, they would adjust.

And any new company looking to operate in the UK will want good infrastructure so it can operate at its maximum for minimum outlay. so state spending is paramount, how does it go, speculate to accumalate.



More of the same with less of a say Brexit is indeed Synonymous with hypocrisy.

Well Centrica are losing 4000+ jobs mainly because they have lost over 1 Million customers and have had major performance issues in North America. This has nothing to do with the EU or Brexit......oh and Everton’s performance and the sacking of a manager also had nothing to do with Brexit (just getting that in before you use that as well).......
 
. Once again jobs for the boys rules in Brussels......

So you don't think this ever happens in the UK?

By the way when you and others complain about "unelected bureaucrats" running the EU have you ever stopped to ask yourself when you last had a say in choosing the Governor of the Bank of England? Or perhaps any of the civil service permanent secretaries that effectively run every government department with a notional politician at the top? Or what about The chairs of various powerful bodies such as OFSTED or the Financial Services Authority in its day and probably a thousand other such "unelected bureaucrats" that have a major influence on our day to day lives?
 
So you don't think this ever happens in the UK?

By the way when you and others complain about "unelected bureaucrats" running the EU have you ever stopped to ask yourself when you last had a say in choosing the Governor of the Bank of England? Or perhaps any of the civil service permanent secretaries that effectively run every government department with a notional politician at the top? Or what about The chairs of various powerful bodies such as OFSTED or the Financial Services Authority in its day and probably a thousand other such "unelected bureaucrats" that have a major influence on our day to day lives?

To be quite honest as well, the notion that democracy gives us any control is a bit of a nonsense as you get a 1 in 30 million say in things, which lets be honest, gives us very little influence in how anything happens in Whitehall.
 
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