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The GFA doesn't have anything to do with the border.

That's a ludicrous statement! The GFA defined the settlement to the peace process. It removed in large part the tension and troubles which made the border so dangerous and contentious. If the GFA is ripped up then the troubles will return in some form.

As it stands today my family and I can move easily between Belfast and Dublin and work and trade wherever we want on the island without a hint of hassle. Anything that threatens that will not be accepted. But that's already agreed in the December text.

Rees Mogg and Boris come out with this rubbish that there's no difference between Somerset and Antrim or between Finchley and Derry. They are living on cloud cuckoo land. Northern Ireland is of course legally still part of the UK but already has multiple over-arching all-island arrangements. The GFA crafted a compromise for everyone to cool down and live with.

We've already seen the last of Paisley and McGuinness. Adams and others from the troubles era will also be gone inside the decade (at least from the public debate). We can then have a chance at some normality in proceedings. The idea that anyone wants to kick up all that fuss again and start erecting border checkpoints are mad.
 
Oh no not this threatening the peace tripe again.

The peace will only be threatened if terrorists use it as an excuse to create terror. Murder is unjustifiable and I won't be pandering to excuses.

A border of the one you describe is a licence to the terrorists of all descriptions to make money. A new border literally gives the terrorists a reason to come back out into the public view.

Of course murder is unjustifiable (I've never said it's not). In areas like Fermanagh, Tyrone, Derry and many more (as I'm sure you know) the GFA and the effective non-existence of a border with the Republic has helped enormously. If the likes of Rees Mogg and Boris bring back a border then they will be the catalyst for a new round of troubles. That's not to defend the perpetrators in any way but equally nobody should be in any doubt what caused the mess to start up again.
 
I find it remarkable that the Irish people actually listen to the EU after the Lisbon treaty debacle. Europe trampled all over Irish democracy by threatening them and forcing them to revote. Yet now they are allowing tjemselves to be manipulated by those who bullied them. But i digress....
I voted no to the Lisbon treaty.
Clauses I didn't like were changed
I voted yes to the Lisbon treaty.
A tiny nation of 4 million exercised its voice and got the treaty changed, hardly EU bullying.
The UK could have learned a lot about getting what they want out of the EU, instead they threw their toys out of the pram.
 
A border of the one you describe is a licence to the terrorists of all descriptions to make money. A new border literally gives the terrorists a reason to come back out into the public view.

Of course murder is unjustifiable (I've never said it's not). In areas like Fermanagh, Tyrone, Derry and many more (as I'm sure you know) the GFA and the effective non-existence of a border with the Republic has helped enormously. If the likes of Rees Mogg and Boris bring back a border then they will be the catalyst for a new round of troubles. That's not to defend the perpetrators in any way but equally nobody should be in any doubt what caused the mess to start up again.

If anyone loses their life then the blame lies with whoever murdered them not a backbench tory MP ffs
 
If anyone loses their life then the blame lies with whoever murdered them not a backbench tory MP ffs

Yes of course - anyone that commits a terrorist act is guilty of that offence. But don't be so naïve to think that a portion of any blame wouldn't reside with the idiots that caused the underlying issues to flare up again!
 
Go ahead Joe, enlighten us. What would be your solution that will be acceptable to folk in NI and ROI, the EU, and the UK Government? Just the issue of the border. Nothing else. That can wait.
Democrocy that's the solution between and Ireland, and us there were no borders before the troubles with different currencies to put a hard border in would hurt the Irish economy with the U.K!
Only the EU could stir the pot to derail Brexit end of!
 
Democrocy that's the solution between and Ireland, and us there were no borders before the troubles with different currencies to put a hard border in would hurt the Irish economy with the U.K!
Only the EU could stir the pot to derail Brexit end of!
There was a border before the troubles.
Democracy eh, both sides of the border voted on the GFA, only one side voted on Brexit.
 
Japan warns Theresa May its giant firms will quit UK if botched Brexit makes it 'unprofitable' to stay


'It is as simple as that. And this is all high stakes that I think all of us need to keep in mind', Prime Minister is told after No 10 gathering


japanese-investors-round-table-2.jpg

Theresa May hosted a meeting with the bosses of Japanese investors in the UK in Downing Street PA
The Japanese ambassador has warned Theresa May that his country’s firms will quit Britain if a botched Brexit makes it “unprofitable” to stay.

Koji Tsuruoka laid bare growing nervousness about the impact of EU withdrawal on the Japanese car giants, banks and tech companies after meeting the Prime Minister in Downing Street.

“If there is no profitability of continuing operation in [the] UK, not Japanese only, no private company can continue operations,” Mr Tsuruoka said.





“So it is as simple as that. And this is all high stakes that I think all of us need to keep in mind.”

The warning comes after the Japanese government, in a leaked letter, called on Ms May to keep Britain in the EU single market and customs union and maintain a free flow of workers.

But the Prime Minister has vowed to pull the UK out of the EU’s economic structures and end free movement of citizens – although, in reality, those changes cannot take place until after a transitional period.

Speaking outside No 10, Mr Tsuruoka said Japanese companies were “enjoying their operations in the UK” and wished to stay – but that the decision rested on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations.

He added: “The question is whether the arrangements that will be reached between the two sides will allow the Japanese companies, who are willing and in some ways determined to continue to operate in the UK, to make that happen.

“This is contingent on a number of factors and there is not just one single factor that will be determining the decision.”

His country’s companies were “watching very closely” and badly needed “clarity and certainty, predictability”, Mr Tsuruoka said.However, the ambassador gave some backing to the beleaguered Prime Minister over claims the Cabinet is split over Brexit, saying: “I am not under that impression coming out of today's meeting.

“I am under the impression that the UK Government is very firmly united behind the Prime Minister's leadership in search and in pursuit of achieving the free, frictionless trade with the EU in a most ambitious manner.”

The comments came as sources said the second meeting this week of the “inner Cabinet” charged with agreeing a long-term Brexit plan broke up without achieving a breakthrough.

The 11-strong sub-committee spent just over two hours discussing future trade options – after failing to settle divisions over the Irish border and immigration on Wednesday.

The “roundtable” brought together Cabinet ministers, including Chancellor Philip Hammond. Business Secretary Greg Clark and Trade Secretary Liam Fox, with around top bosses of Japanese investors in the UK.

The included the heads of car giants Nissan, Honda, Toyota and Mitsubishi and train manufacturer Hitachi, as well as those of tech companies, energy firms and banks.

No 10 insisted the talks had focused on how to make the UK “an even more attractive destination for Japanese and international investment, as well as the UK-Japan trade and investment relationship”.

A spokesman said: “The Prime Minister reaffirmed the Government’s commitment to securing a new deep and special partnership with the EU as the UK leaves the EU.”

The business leaders had “agreed on the importance of the time-limited implementation period in providing clarity and certainty for people and businesses”, he added.

“There was also agreement on the importance of moving quickly in the negotiations to secure a trading relationship with the EU that is as tariff-free and frictionless as possible following the implementation period.”

Food for thought for those wanting to leave the customs union and the single market and those wanting to revert to WTO tariffs.
 
Democrocy that's the solution between and Ireland, and us there were no borders before the troubles with different currencies to put a hard border in would hurt the Irish economy with the U.K!
Only the EU could stir the pot to derail Brexit end of!

Well, I understand some of that, I think.

Fact is, there is a land border between the EU and the UK. Which the population of NI and ROI cherish as a non negotiable line in the sand.

So again, please explain what your solution to that riddle would be. That would be satisfactory to all 4 parties. NI, ROI, UK and EU.

I think "democracy" wont be quite enough. You alluded to anyone asking this reasonable question as having their head in the sand after all, so I am obviously missing the easy solution.

What is it?
 
Well, I understand some of that, I think.

Fact is, there is a land border between the EU and the UK. Which the population of NI and ROI cherish as a non negotiable line in the sand.

So again, please explain what your solution to that riddle would be. That would be satisfactory to all 4 parties. NI, ROI, UK and EU.

I think "democracy" wont be quite enough. You alluded to anyone asking this reasonable question as having their head in the sand after all, so I am obviously missing the easy solution.

What is it?

If a solution can be found between NI, ROI and U.K., why does the EU need to be involved ?.......
 
Japan warns Theresa May its giant firms will quit UK if botched Brexit makes it 'unprofitable' to stay


'It is as simple as that. And this is all high stakes that I think all of us need to keep in mind', Prime Minister is told after No 10 gathering


japanese-investors-round-table-2.jpg

Theresa May hosted a meeting with the bosses of Japanese investors in the UK in Downing Street PA
The Japanese ambassador has warned Theresa May that his country’s firms will quit Britain if a botched Brexit makes it “unprofitable” to stay.

Koji Tsuruoka laid bare growing nervousness about the impact of EU withdrawal on the Japanese car giants, banks and tech companies after meeting the Prime Minister in Downing Street.

“If there is no profitability of continuing operation in [the] UK, not Japanese only, no private company can continue operations,” Mr Tsuruoka said.





“So it is as simple as that. And this is all high stakes that I think all of us need to keep in mind.”

The warning comes after the Japanese government, in a leaked letter, called on Ms May to keep Britain in the EU single market and customs union and maintain a free flow of workers.

But the Prime Minister has vowed to pull the UK out of the EU’s economic structures and end free movement of citizens – although, in reality, those changes cannot take place until after a transitional period.

Speaking outside No 10, Mr Tsuruoka said Japanese companies were “enjoying their operations in the UK” and wished to stay – but that the decision rested on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations.

He added: “The question is whether the arrangements that will be reached between the two sides will allow the Japanese companies, who are willing and in some ways determined to continue to operate in the UK, to make that happen.

“This is contingent on a number of factors and there is not just one single factor that will be determining the decision.”

His country’s companies were “watching very closely” and badly needed “clarity and certainty, predictability”, Mr Tsuruoka said.However, the ambassador gave some backing to the beleaguered Prime Minister over claims the Cabinet is split over Brexit, saying: “I am not under that impression coming out of today's meeting.

“I am under the impression that the UK Government is very firmly united behind the Prime Minister's leadership in search and in pursuit of achieving the free, frictionless trade with the EU in a most ambitious manner.”

The comments came as sources said the second meeting this week of the “inner Cabinet” charged with agreeing a long-term Brexit plan broke up without achieving a breakthrough.

The 11-strong sub-committee spent just over two hours discussing future trade options – after failing to settle divisions over the Irish border and immigration on Wednesday.

The “roundtable” brought together Cabinet ministers, including Chancellor Philip Hammond. Business Secretary Greg Clark and Trade Secretary Liam Fox, with around top bosses of Japanese investors in the UK.

The included the heads of car giants Nissan, Honda, Toyota and Mitsubishi and train manufacturer Hitachi, as well as those of tech companies, energy firms and banks.

No 10 insisted the talks had focused on how to make the UK “an even more attractive destination for Japanese and international investment, as well as the UK-Japan trade and investment relationship”.

A spokesman said: “The Prime Minister reaffirmed the Government’s commitment to securing a new deep and special partnership with the EU as the UK leaves the EU.”

The business leaders had “agreed on the importance of the time-limited implementation period in providing clarity and certainty for people and businesses”, he added.

“There was also agreement on the importance of moving quickly in the negotiations to secure a trading relationship with the EU that is as tariff-free and frictionless as possible following the implementation period.”

Food for thought for those wanting to leave the customs union and the single market and those wanting to revert to WTO tariffs.
Last time I looked Japan was not in the EU, yet the EU can set up their trade deals, yet we are hankcuft by the EU on certain trade deals do you know what bullying is well look at the negotiations with the EU so far
 
That's a ludicrous statement! The GFA defined the settlement to the peace process. It removed in large part the tension and troubles which made the border so dangerous and contentious. If the GFA is ripped up then the troubles will return in some form.

As it stands today my family and I can move easily between Belfast and Dublin and work and trade wherever we want on the island without a hint of hassle. Anything that threatens that will not be accepted. But that's already agreed in the December text.

Rees Mogg and Boris come out with this rubbish that there's no difference between Somerset and Antrim or between Finchley and Derry. They are living on cloud cuckoo land. Northern Ireland is of course legally still part of the UK but already has multiple over-arching all-island arrangements. The GFA crafted a compromise for everyone to cool down and live with.

We've already seen the last of Paisley and McGuinness. Adams and others from the troubles era will also be gone inside the decade (at least from the public debate). We can then have a chance at some normality in proceedings. The idea that anyone wants to kick up all that fuss again and start erecting border checkpoints are mad.

And what if the ROI had not joined the EU as it only did so because the U.K. did. What if the ROI could not access NI because the EU said so, who would you blame, the EU or the U.K. ?
 
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