two holes in a load you really are scraping the barrel - my point was if you want to publish all of them in full , but unlike Bruce I hate wasting space on the forum - The WTO leader video listen to that!
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You completely misread my motivation in this respect. Working closely with our European partners is great. Europe is great. The EU as an institution is an abomination driven only with the desire to create a United States of Europe......
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-deal-would-not-be-a-disaster-says-thinktank
Based on the assumption that the EU wouldn't impose tariffs on British imports
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/27/post-brexit-trade-can-thrive-under-wto-rules/
Written in Jan 17. Assumes the City of London has free access to the EU (which has since been ruled out as far as I'm aware). It is highly misleading to mention The Guardian report on Michel Barnier without mentioning that his official spokesman went on record to say it was wrong. Equally there has been a united front from every EU leader on their hardline position. When talking about our trade with South Africa for example it would have been worth mentioning that it is under an EU deal. It is misleading the way it is worded as it implies that is under WTO rules. This applies to other countries quoted as well. It is true that more exports go the US than any individual EU country but it is misleading to say the US is the biggest destination for UK exports without mentioning that more exports go to the EU. Finally, to suggest that government subsidies should be applied to industries that export to the EU is completely mad and goes against the whole 'free trade' concept of liberalising the economy after Brexit.
https://globalbritain.co.uk//wp-con...Soft-Copy-Going-global-without-delay-Body.pdf
Written by a pro-Leave thinktank but never mind...Written in December 16. Assumes the UK should be able to secure a zero tariff-free trade deal with the EU (including financial services) within 24 months of Article 50. If not then WTO rules. Lots of clichés - "Ultimately we have nothing to fear but fear itself" and "This is a once in a generation opportunity for the UK". Focuses on the simple idea that developing countries are growing at a faster rate than developed countries so are better candidates as trading partners. Taking to an extreme let's say Mozambique has a higher rate of GDP growth than Germany at present so we should focus on the former - kind of ignoring the relative scales of each economy involved!
It gives 5 reasons why WTO rules are better - note the absence of facts or figures.
1. Internationally, the UK will have more influence, not less. (nothing is said to back this up other than the UK would have a seat on the WTO council)
2. Following Brexit, the UK will create more trade and jobs, not less (only proof is a reference to the increase in employment in the UK between June and December 16)
3. The UK will restore sovereign control and democratic accountability to its parliament (this one again - objecting to EU laws without quoting any that it disagrees with)
4. The UK will regain control of its own borders. (it's all about immigration)
5. This is the globally moral option as it benefits both buyer and seller
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...t-10-year-tariff-free-trade-deal-negotiations
From March 17. "A worry has always been that Britain would not have any deal at the end of the two-year negotiation period, throwing trade rules into chaos. Quotes an unnamed source believing he has found what has been described as a “secret weapon” in Britain’s free trade negotiations with Europe. Thinks there is a clause in the WTO rules that will give Britain 10 years worth of free trade with the EU whenever we want. Although the insider does say that “Of course it would require the agreement of both parties". Funny how it hasn't been mentioned since.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...-latest-UK-EU-news-David-Davis-talks-Brussels
Whole July 17 article based on a Czech Foreign Minister saying that a "much broader, much deeper" free trade deal with the European Union can be agreed with the UK after Brexit than the one recently signed off with Canada." However, he suggested "that Britain may have to pay for the deal."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41806690
Discussed above
https://www.li.com/activities/publi...cess-and-negotiation-of-free-trade-agreements
Feb 17. This doesn't actually say anything at all either way. It just details WTO and EU regulations!
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-will-not-cause-uk-trade-disruption-wto-boss-10632803
Discussed above
Based on the assumption that the EU wouldn't impose tariffs on British imports
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/27/post-brexit-trade-can-thrive-under-wto-rules/
Written in Jan 17. Assumes the City of London has free access to the EU (which has since been ruled out as far as I'm aware). It is highly misleading to mention The Guardian report on Michel Barnier without mentioning that his official spokesman went on record to say it was wrong. Equally there has been a united front from every EU leader on their hardline position. When talking about our trade with South Africa for example it would have been worth mentioning that it is under an EU deal. It is misleading the way it is worded as it implies that is under WTO rules. This applies to other countries quoted as well. It is true that more exports go the US than any individual EU country but it is misleading to say the US is the biggest destination for UK exports without mentioning that more exports go to the EU. Finally, to suggest that government subsidies should be applied to industries that export to the EU is completely mad and goes against the whole 'free trade' concept of liberalising the economy after Brexit.
https://globalbritain.co.uk//wp-con...Soft-Copy-Going-global-without-delay-Body.pdf
Written by a pro-Leave thinktank but never mind...Written in December 16. Assumes the UK should be able to secure a zero tariff-free trade deal with the EU (including financial services) within 24 months of Article 50. If not then WTO rules. Lots of clichés - "Ultimately we have nothing to fear but fear itself" and "This is a once in a generation opportunity for the UK". Focuses on the simple idea that developing countries are growing at a faster rate than developed countries so are better candidates as trading partners. Taking to an extreme let's say Mozambique has a higher rate of GDP growth than Germany at present so we should focus on the former - kind of ignoring the relative scales of each economy involved!
It gives 5 reasons why WTO rules are better - note the absence of facts or figures.
1. Internationally, the UK will have more influence, not less. (nothing is said to back this up other than the UK would have a seat on the WTO council)
2. Following Brexit, the UK will create more trade and jobs, not less (only proof is a reference to the increase in employment in the UK between June and December 16)
3. The UK will restore sovereign control and democratic accountability to its parliament (this one again - objecting to EU laws without quoting any that it disagrees with)
4. The UK will regain control of its own borders. (it's all about immigration)
5. This is the globally moral option as it benefits both buyer and seller
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...t-10-year-tariff-free-trade-deal-negotiations
From March 17. "A worry has always been that Britain would not have any deal at the end of the two-year negotiation period, throwing trade rules into chaos. Quotes an unnamed source believing he has found what has been described as a “secret weapon” in Britain’s free trade negotiations with Europe. Thinks there is a clause in the WTO rules that will give Britain 10 years worth of free trade with the EU whenever we want. Although the insider does say that “Of course it would require the agreement of both parties". Funny how it hasn't been mentioned since.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...-latest-UK-EU-news-David-Davis-talks-Brussels
Whole July 17 article based on a Czech Foreign Minister saying that a "much broader, much deeper" free trade deal with the European Union can be agreed with the UK after Brexit than the one recently signed off with Canada." However, he suggested "that Britain may have to pay for the deal."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-41806690
Discussed above
https://www.li.com/activities/publi...cess-and-negotiation-of-free-trade-agreements
Feb 17. This doesn't actually say anything at all either way. It just details WTO and EU regulations!
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-will-not-cause-uk-trade-disruption-wto-boss-10632803
Discussed above
Charlie Sweet
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@Joey66 it's not two mate it's all of them. See my post above. You didn't actually read any of them did you?!?!
Charlie Sweet
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I have listened to that video - have you? He just says that "trade will not stop". He doesn't make a single comment on the net effect to the UK.
the title of the link?
Charlie Sweet
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Sorry I'm missing something here Joey. What do you mean "the title of the link"?
Charlie Sweet
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@Joey66 - what humble pie? I've looked and read all the links you posted. I've read the WTO linked article and listened to the video (it's only a minute or so). He says that trade won't stop overnight. He says there's an awful lot of negotiations to be done to convert to WTO rules but he'll try and ensure his organisation does its best to do its share as quickly as possible. He makes no comment at all about whether the UK would thrive or not under WTO rules. If he does then I apologise as I missed it - in which case please do point me to where it is.
Oh the irony... Haha!!
You found them all in 30 seconds and read them all in less than 10 mins fair play... Did that give you, your very own informed opinion then haha!! Sorry this is too easy. The lecture you gave me yesterday about how you prefer peoples own thoughts and opinion and that information online can be manipulated haha!!
Isn't this the very thing you don't like people doing to prove their points? haha!!
ha ha it was done by request by @Charlie Sweet
another post
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...union-brexit-disastrous-britain-labour-europe
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Are you a Labour voting Telegraph subscriber Joe?
No just a fellow googler like you brucelol
No, i know but its funny though in a respectful way of course. I never did reply to your other one and i respect were you are coming from and fair play.
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