Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Charlie Sweet]

Nothing to do with the official leave campaign - Farage pressured Etonian bonehead Cameron to have a referendum, and guess what you lost it!

Certainly did lose in that I was (and am still) passionately supportive of the EU and the ideas of the Remain campaign. I wouldn't go so far as to say that you "won" it yet though as, correct me if I'm wrong, but you have no idea whatsoever what sort of "Leave" you will get.

To my mind Macron's comments at the weekend were very revealing. He was here on a sweet as pie visit to butter up and encourage close relations. Hell he and May even had cringeworthy selfy pics together. But even then he was as clear as could be - there will be no financial services trade deal between the UK and the EU unless the UK effectively continues with free movement of people and the jurisdiction of the European Courts of Justice and pays its fair share into the EU budget.

Given that the UK's economy is critically dependant on financial services and the whole City of London - I'd wager the next 6-9 months of trade talks will be focused on trying to square this circle. Nobody really cares about a manufacturing plant in Blackburn or Dudley. And as has often been said the likes of the sexy motor industry is held at a point of mutual benefit between the various international brands - so easy to come up with a compromise. The financial services sector is different - and they have all the chips. Therefore I'd bet now we will give in and come up with some type of new "arrangement" that is pretty much the same as we have now with the EU - albeit in a different name.

 

[abelard]

Therefore I'd bet now we will give in and come up with some type of new "arrangement" that is pretty much the same as we have now with the EU - albeit in a different name.

Yup. Only now with no influence whatsoever over the rules we still pay to abide by.

 

[orchard]

Yup. Only now with no influence whatsoever over the rules we still pay to abide by.

Yea, so we pay for the square mile, have no say, Westminster gets more dosh for the SE, removes environmental and citizen protections, what's not to like?

 

[hullefc]

After the debacle of the first round the second isn't going too well either. From 'Merkel will be begging the UK for a trade deal for German cars' to themselves going to German to beg for a trade deal so as to save the Tories political skins. The nuts and bolts of trade is neither here nor there for the Tories, but the centre piece of the UK economy the City of London is. And the Tories dim witted negotiations have undermined the city and jobs are trickling out to continental Europe. The Tories will be forced to pay a very high price for the city to remain the 'financial' centre of the EU if not jobs will flood out of the UK.

Not only that, but the EU have always hankered for a transaction tax on money this is made easier and probably with a higher percentage due to the lack of negotiating finesse by May, Davis, Gove and Johnson. Who have all put forward the, 'they need us more than we need them' rhetoric and dithered and prevaricated during the first phase. But they are still peddling the 'they need the city more than we need them' for financial backing for EU companies and the EU just smile and take ever more financial jobs with more banks moving some operations abroad.

At least we can sleep well at night as Johnson is still driving the '£350 million a week to the NHS instead of to the EU' bus.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Oh the fume because I posted something from the BBC news page.

FYI, what I posted was all that could be seen; beneath that was a whole series of links to other stories.

If certain individuals then want to go basllistic and all serious over a single post - take a feckin' good look at yerselves. I'm sitting here laughing at the clowns who take it, and themselves, all too seriously...

In the words of the Eagles song: GET OVER IT!!!

 

[roydo]

Oh the fume because I posted something from the BBC news page.

FYI, what I posted was all that could be seen; beneath that was a whole series of links to other stories.

If certain individuals then want to go basllistic and all serious over a single post - take a feckin' good look at yerselves. I'm sitting here laughing at the clowns who take it, and themselves, all too seriously...

In the words of the Eagles song: GET OVER IT!!!

No.

The annoyance was that you openly said you posted it to fish, get bites, etc. That is WUM territory.

And as for calling fellow Evertonians clowns. Very thin ice mate.

 

[orchard]

This doesn't seem to be the prose of someone who's laughing mate.

Oh the fume because I posted something from the BBC news page.

FYI, what I posted was all that could be seen; beneath that was a whole series of links to other stories.

If certain individuals then want to go basllistic and all serious over a single post - take a feckin' good look at yerselves. I'm sitting here laughing at the clowns who take it, and themselves, all too seriously...

In the words of the Eagles song: GET OVER IT!!!

 

[Ruairi77]

Oh the fume because I posted something from the BBC news page.

FYI, what I posted was all that could be seen; beneath that was a whole series of links to other stories.

If certain individuals then want to go basllistic and all serious over a single post - take a feckin' good look at yerselves. I'm sitting here laughing at the clowns who take it, and themselves, all too seriously...

In the words of the Eagles song: GET OVER IT!!!

bigger fan of 'take it easy' or 'lyin' eyes' myself!

 

[SteveSC]

bigger fan of 'take it easy' or 'lyin' eyes' myself!

This doesn't seem to be the prose of someone who's laughing mate.

Careful now, the last time i suggested he was taking it way too seriously and wasn't joking, he accused me of attacking him.

 

[Blue 1]

Nothing to do with the official leave campaign - Farage pressured Etonian bonehead Cameron to have a referendum, and guess what you lost it!

Wasn't really Farage. It was the right wing of his own party. Cameron arrogantly assumed he could shut them up forever by giving them the referendum, and he lost, the utter wagon.

 

[Joey66]

Wasn't really Farage. It was the right wing of his own party. Cameron arrogantly assumed he could shut them up forever by giving them the referendum, and he lost, the utter wagon.

Only decent thing he and Gideon did the Elton mess may free us from the other EU dipsticks in that awful Polictical Union!

 

[Joey66]

No.

The annoyance was that you openly said you posted it to fish, get bites, etc. That is WUM territory.

And as for calling fellow Evertonians clowns. Very thin ice mate.

Better than knobhead a Evertonian remainer called me on here on this very thread!?........

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Wasn't really Farage. It was the right wing of his own party. Cameron arrogantly assumed he could shut them up forever by giving them the referendum, and he lost, the utter wagon.

Cameron was trying to take votes from UKIP and the swing voters and blag his way through the 2015 GE. He didn't even think he'd have to keep the promise of the referendum. He assumed he'd end up in another coalition government and could blame the Lib Dems for not keeping his word. Only it worked to well, they got a majority nobody saw coming and Cameron was therefore obliged to keep his word.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

As I have stated MANY times before in this thread, I don't believe ANY of these big name experts. ...

I've seen this sort of thing said many times during the whole EU debate over the last few years - and nearly always from the Leave camp.

How can anyone possibly defend the statement "I don' believe...experts"?!?

What - do they prefer people that know absolutely nothing?!?

If you have to go into hospital for a brain op you'd want the best qualified and most experienced surgeon available wouldn't you?!

 

[peteblue]

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I've seen this sort of thing said many times during the whole EU debate over the last few years - and nearly always from the Leave camp.

How can anyone possibly defend the statement "I don' believe...experts"?!?

What - do they prefer people that know absolutely nothing?!?

If you have to go into hospital for a brain op you'd want the best qualified and most experienced surgeon available wouldn't you?!

Indeed you would. The difference of course is that a brain operation follows a set plan, with some variables, that leads to a conclusion based on the skills of the surgeon. The ‘experts’ you refer to are nothing of the sort, they have differing opinions from other ‘experts’ and are invariably proved wrong. The problem of course is that the variables, both known and unknown, are rather complex and no one really understands what will happen........