Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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jal123 said:
Will have to be quick before paid holidays are abolished alongside all that other EU red tape nonsense!
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You have four years yet just think you will be 70 when you retire or even older nothing to do with the EU just the austerity Tories it was one of them who first took us in that lot!
Teddy Heath teeth do you know we never got to vote on it !
It was only later when the public realised we were getting robbed I voted yes to the trade deal twice!
I was younger and fancied working abroad in Europe as Holland was the capital of my trade in Horticulture yet it's heavily subsidised by their government!
Never materialised made it over here !
Reading the other day when we purchased Goodison park land it was a former nursery or market garden !
 
Joey66 said:
You have four years yet just think you will be 70 when you retire or even older nothing to do with the EU just the austerity Tories it was one of them who first took us in that lot!
Teddy Heath teeth do you know we never got to vote on it !
It was only later when the public realised we were getting robbed I voted yes to the trade deal twice!
I was younger and fancied working abroad in Europe as Holland was the capital of my trade in Horticulture yet it's heavily subsidised by their government!
Never materialised made it over here !
Reading the other day when we purchased Goodison park land it was a former nursery or market garden !
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So you fancied taking advantage of freedom of movement then Joe? Wowzers
 
Things are looking up. We've gone from 9/100 readiness to 22/100. Huzzah.

In the past three months the possibility of an orderly Brexit has increased markedly. In particular, the European Union and United Kingdom have negotiated a transition period lasting two years. And several thorny issues around the treatment of EU citizens in the United Kingdom have been clarified.

The inaugural Brexit Readiness Score gave low grades on the preparedness of the UK government in nearly all areas, cumulating to an aggregate score of 9 out of 100 points. After progress in several areas over the past quarter, the aggregate score has gone up to 22.

This is the first quarterly update of the index to track progress. Based on available data, each component is scored on a scale of 0 (no progress) to 10 (full readiness). The 10 components are:

  1. Access to European Markets – Tracks the progress of the trade negotiations on accessing European markets. The European Commission has stressed that trade negotiations can proceed only after the treatment of EU citizens living and working in the United Kingdom is clarified and after the “divorce bill” is settled.
Score: 0

  1. Customs, Ports, and Border Points – Assesses whether import and export rules and related infrastructure are in place and can be implemented after Brexit.
Score: 1 (No change since September)

(Some estimates on the actual needs have been made. The issue of a hard border with Northern Ireland is shaping up to be among the most difficult to resolve. Ireland has threatened to block further Brexit negotiations unless this issue is resolved.)

  1. Tax – Captures the readiness of the UK tax administration to handle changes to the value-added tax (VAT) arising from leaving the customs union.
Score: 0

  1. EU Professionals and “Self-sufficient” Citizens – Assesses Brexit’s impact on the workforce, with an emphasis on visa and work permit requirements for European nationals. The UK government had proposed requiring “self-sufficient” EU citizens such as stay-home parents and students to have UK private health insurance or comprehensive sickness insurance.
Score: 6 (Up by 4 points)

(Both the UK and the EU said in December that the agreement would ensure that EU nationals in the UK would retain the same rights after Brexit as they enjoyed before. The UK government has removed the requirement for “self-sufficient EU citizens to “demonstrate Comprehensive Sickness Insurance.”)

  1. Payment for Outstanding Future Obligations – Agreement on the final Brexit “divorce bill” — the share of EU liabilities the UK will pay upon leaving the bloc.
Score: 5

(The UK agreed in December to the terms of a financial settlement that could see the country paying a net amount of at least $59 billion over a period of several years.)

  1. The City of London – Captures the regulatory revisions needed to ensure that UK-based financial institutions can continue to operate in the European Union. Their operations involve passporting and other adjustments.
Score: 2 (Up by 1 point)

(The banking community has warned about the dangers of business moving to New York and other locations without clarity on a transitional period; the negotiated transition period has allayed immediate fears.)

  1. European Court of Justice – The UK government insists that the European Court of Justice (ECJ) should not be involved in disputes that may arise post-Brexit. The European Commission disagrees.
Score: 0

(The EU insists that the decisions of the ECJ should apply to the UK to the end of the transition period in 2021. The UK government retains its position that the rulings of the ECJ no longer apply to the UK after April 2019.)

  1. EU Security System – Evaluates the access the United Kingdom can negotiate to the data of the Second Generation Schengen Information System, which issues alerts to officers and border staff about suspects, foreign fighters, and missing people; the European arrest warrant process, under which criminal suspects can be speedily extradited between EU states; and Europol, the EU agency that coordinates continent-wide crime-fighting operations and the exchange of intelligence.
Score: 5 (No change)

(Home Secretary Amber Rudd proposed in September 2017 an EU-UK security treaty not dependent on Brexit talks. Negotiations in this area will be part of the second phase of discussions with the EU, starting in January 2018.)

  1. Erasmus Program –Evaluates the transitional and post-Brexit arrangements for the Erasmus+ program, which gives UK students the chance to study or gain work experience in the European Union and reciprocates the same to EU students in the United Kingdom.
Score: 3 (Up by 3 points)

(In December, British Prime Minister Theresa May praised Erasmus+ and confirmed the UK would still be involved after Brexit. Details yet to be negotiated).

  1. EU Science Exchange – Horizon 2020, the EU program on funding research, will be out of reach after Brexit. For the many EU nationals at UK universities, the incentives to transfer to EU universities will be high. Negotiating either a transitional period or continued participation in the program will maintain the quality of university education.
Score: 0

(Not discussed in the first phase of negotiations)

Overall Brexit Readiness Score as of December 2017: 22 percent (22 of 100; up by 13 points)
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Source: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessrevi...readiness-score-update-uk-gets-22-out-of-100/
 
orchard said:
He doesn't need it now though.

We're still waiting for an answer as to why you supported, and continue to sing the praises of, a europhile Prime Minister before brexit was popular @Joey66 ?
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No I dont think that was a condition AS WE JUST HAD A TRADE DEAL then would have needed a work visa tried to move to Jersey got told by the equivalent DWP a list of nurseries to apply to with my qualifications a massive list some politely stated nothing doing and one wrote back stating that their jobs were for jersey people only and my chances of employment PTO at the bottom of the letter -on the back page in huge letters it read below -
NIL
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Maybe Joe was one of those mythical British strawberry pickers we hear about that will take up the slack? Get stretching Joe, your country needs you.
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I was more skilled in the end of a strawberry picker Bruce but as a young 16 year old did field work and later on - I met the great geoff hamilton invited to the city of Liverpool to give a lecture on peat free growing, and a top propagator and grower - and became a member of the institute of Horticulture - if you are saying their would be no horticultural young workers in the UK well you are way off the mark - if there were proper apprenticeships on offer and not just cheap labour then there lies the underlying problem of this country atm!
 
orchard said:
He doesn't need it now though.

We're still waiting for an answer as to why you supported, and continue to sing the praises of, a europhile Prime Minister before brexit was popular @Joey66 ?
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If it was any PM apart from a Lib dem they would accept the democratic vote of the people - if Labour were in power they would take a different stance from being in opposition my friend!
 
Joey66 said:
I was more skilled in the end of a strawberry picker Bruce but as a young 16 year old did field work and later on - I met the great geoff hamilton invited to the city of Liverpool to give a lecture on peat free growing, and a top propagator and grower - and became a member of the institute of Horticulture - if you are saying their would be no horticultural young workers in the UK well you are way off the mark - if there were proper apprenticeships on offer and not just cheap labour then there lies the underlying problem of this country atm!
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For Pete's sake.
 
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