Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

This is what club we are walking away from Bruce here is the contribution list so you state its fair and the best thing since sliced bread well you are wrong- 2017 contributions - if I was in a golf club with these rules I would just leave -

That's life though isn't it Joe? Rest assured, if we were to do a similar table for counties of the UK, the results would be equally lop sided. Are you suggesting that London should tell the rest of the land to sod off because we contribute such a large amount to the exchequer? Equally if you look at the distribution of taxes on a personal level, the vast majority of income taxes are paid by a relatively small number of people.

I thought being a Labour man you'd be down with the whole 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need...' thing?

 

[abelard]

This is what club we are walking away from Bruce here is the contribution list so you state its fair and the best thing since sliced bread well you are wrong- 2017 contributions - if I was in a golf club with these rules I would just leave -

well, you've actually just agreed to pay 50 billion quid NOT to be a member

 

[Joey66]

well, you've actually just agreed to pay 50 billion quid NOT to be a member

No thats our 4 year contributions with the slow withdraw, and other projects we are locked in to and the pension funds we owe thats why walking away on WTO rules looks more beneficial to us now!
a good negotiation team would just walk out and let them come running to us look at that table it is utterly disgusting!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No thats our 4 year contributions with the slow withdraw, and other projects we are locked in to and the pension funds we owe thats why walking away on WTO rules looks more beneficial to us now!
a good negotiation team would just walk out and let them come running to us look at that table it is utterly disgusting!

Would you be happy for your access to public services be commensurate to your personal income Joe? You're using a lot of the NHS by the sounds of it. If you're happy with that then fair dos, but if not, you're suggesting that the basic concept that underpins most European democracies is fine when it suits but not when it doesn't.

 

[Joey66]

Would you be happy for your access to public services be commensurate to your personal income Joe? You're using a lot of the NHS by the sounds of it. If you're happy with that then fair dos, but if not, you're suggesting that the basic concept that underpins most European democracies is fine when it suits but not when it doesn't.

Yes what I have paid into all my working life by paying stamp NI since the age of 16 Bruce - NHS should be contribution based or you pay if you just come into our country - unemployed people do pay a contribution always have done out of their unemployment benefit -
The common market or EU has never benefited us - you fail to comment on that table Bruce typical single vision of your stance and many other remoaners fear our great country needs this banana republic!
who rip us off - we are the 2nd largest contributor bruce explain away without using google!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes what I have paid into all my working life by paying stamp NI since the age of 16 Bruce - NHS should be contribution based or you pay if you just come into our country - unemployed people do pay a contribution always have done out of their unemployment benefit -
The common market or EU has never benefited us - you fail to comment on that table Bruce typical single vision of your stance and many other remoaners fear our great country needs this banana republic!
who rip us off - we are the 2nd largest contributor bruce explain away without using google!

It's quite easy to explain Joe, and has been done so many times. You see, our membership of the single market contributes far more to the British economy than our contributions to the EU purse each year. That paper I referred you to a few pages ago said as much.

Are you familiar with the saying 'a rising tide lifts all boats'? That's kinda how it is, as it benefits Britain enormously if all European economies flourish, not least in terms of their propensity to buy British goods and services, but also in terms of spreading the 'gospel' of democracy that has traditionally been our bedrock. I don't mind telling you from personal experience, that as soon as the Czech economy slumps, you get an increasing number of people pining for the communist days, so it makes infinite sense to ensure the economies of all members thrive as much as possible, just as it made infinite sense to ensure the German economy got back on its feet after the war.

 

[Eggs]

Yes what I have paid into all my working life by paying stamp NI since the age of 16 Bruce - NHS should be contribution based or you pay if you just come into our country - unemployed people do pay a contribution always have done out of their unemployment benefit -
The common market or EU has never benefited us - you fail to comment on that table Bruce typical single vision of your stance and many other remoaners fear our great country needs this banana republic!
who rip us off - we are the 2nd largest contributor bruce explain away without using google!

..those on unemployment benefit were given weekly contribution ‘credits’, as opposed to paying a contribution.

 

[Armel]

This is what club we are walking away from Bruce here is the contribution list so you state its fair and the best thing since sliced bread well you are wrong- 2017 contributions - if I was in a golf club with these rules I would just leave -

It makes more sense if you look at it/per capita. What it costs you as a person.

For the UK it's 168.02 € /capita (+-148 pounds/year).
For Sweden 213 €/capita...
For France 73 € ... and so on...
A Polish person receives 253 € ....
Hardly staggering sums.

47 percent of that money goes to 'smart and inclusive growth'; things like Erasmus, scientific research, Galileo, infrastructure and new roads in poor regions to rehabilitate them ...

 

[Joey66]

It's quite easy to explain Joe, and has been done so many times. You see, our membership of the single market contributes far more to the British economy than our contributions to the EU purse each year. That paper I referred you to a few pages ago said as much.

Are you familiar with the saying 'a rising tide lifts all boats'? That's kinda how it is, as it benefits Britain enormously if all European economies flourish, not least in terms of their propensity to buy British goods and services, but also in terms of spreading the 'gospel' of democracy that has traditionally been our bedrock. I don't mind telling you from personal experience, that as soon as the Czech economy slumps, you get an increasing number of people pining for the communist days, so it makes infinite sense to ensure the economies of all members thrive as much as possible, just as it made infinite sense to ensure the German economy got back on its feet after the war.

Why restrict your country to the EU other major countries do not - they fare ok - the EU trades itself in the WTO 0n their terms not ours - the thing you overlook Bruce our nation has spoken and 70 .4 million like me all voted OUT - no i dont give a flying jot about other countries, trade to poorer countries will make them wealthier we have our hands tied by the bureaucratic fat cats in the EU it's time to leave!
Trade worldwide like the USA - China - Japan - Australia etc etc!

 

[Joey66]

..those on unemployment benefit were given weekly contribution ‘credits’, as opposed to paying a contribution.

still means they are in the list of being UK citizens!

 

[Joey66]

It makes more sense if you look at it/per capita. What it costs you as a person.

For the UK it's 168.02 € /capita (+-148 pounds/year).
For Sweden 213 €/capita...
For France 73 € ... and so on...
A Polish person receives 253 € ....
Hardly staggering sums.

47 percent of that money goes to 'smart and inclusive growth'; things like Erasmus, scientific research, Galileo, infrastructure and new roads in poor regions to rehabilitate them ...

Its nonsense would you sign up to a club like that ? lets say your in a golf club you are richer than Joe bloggs would you subsidise him?
answer NO so please get off your moral ground!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why restrict your country to the EU other major countries do not - they fare ok - the EU trades itself in the WTO 0n their terms not ours - the thing you overlook Bruce our nation has spoken and 70 .4 million like me all voted OUT - no i dont give a flying jot about other countries, trade to poorer countries will make them wealthier we have our hands tied by the bureaucratic fat cats in the EU it's time to leave!
Trade worldwide like the USA - China - Japan - Australia etc etc!

As explained to you previously Joe, the EU has bilateral trade agreements with all but 7 of the WTO members, so they're not trading with them on WTO terms at all. As I've got to do at least a little bit of work today, there's (sadly) one more correction. The UK population is 65.7 million, of which 33.5 million voted (and 17 million voted to leave).

 

[Eggs]

still means they are in the list of being UK citizens!

..yep, it covers pensions etc when you’re out of work. Your post suggested the unemployed ‘pay’ a contribution, all I was pointing out is that they actually get ‘credited’ with paying a contribution.

 

[Armel]

Its nonsense would you sign up to a club like that ? lets say your in a golf club you are richer than Joe bloggs would you subsidise him?
answer NO so please get off your moral ground!

Solidarity on a personal level is different from solidarity on a societal level tbh. You can't compare it with everyday situations.

As a Flemish person +- 3000 €/family or 1100 €/person goes directly to the Walloons who without any support would be the level of Greece. Don't have an issue with that.

 

[peteblue]

I just hope that heavyweight assistance is one we vote for. I wouldn't want unelected swines having any say in our affairs now we've taken back control and all that.

I see Martin Schulz is pushing the Agenda for a United States of Europe by 2025...

“He said: 'I want a European constitutional treaty that creates a federal Europe'.

The treaty would then be presented to all member states for ratification, with those that reject it automatically leaving the bloc, he said.

He suggested a target year of 2025, one century after the SPD first spoke of a future 'United States of Europe'.

Schulz said only a more united EU could meet challenges such as combating climate change or managing mass migration, forcing internet giants such as Google and Facebook to respect civil rights or stopping large companies from dodging taxes.”


I loved his reasons for creating it, climate change which Germany and its coal fired power stations add greatly, managing mass migration caused by Germany when they told the world its doors were open, stopping large companies from avoiding tax headed up by the man from Luxembourg who deliberately did exactly the opposite, and forcing Internet giants to respect civil rights (you couldn’t make this up). So that’s it, these made up reasons are why we should have a United States of Europe and he will show the door to any country that objects.........