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Bruce is big enough to stand up for himself.

And if he posts as he did, then he will expect to get replies to it.

I don't belittle him, I ask him to post reasonable premises to support his point of view.

Look, Bruce is a past master at the wind-up. I know that, and he knows I do (we have had great exchanges of PMs, which you are not party to), so it is all good banter, albeit dressed up in serious posts.

If you want to interfere, fine, but don't get hold of the wrong end of the stick most of the time...

Right like i said in my post i know he is...

Don't be patronising, interfere really? Oh i'm sorry i thought this was an open thread where i could comment or re butte a post if i felt i had something to say... Maybe next time you put a disclaimer to say its a private conversation then or better yet message him.
 
Right like i said in my post i know he is...

Don't be patronising, interfere really? Oh i'm sorry i thought this was an open thread where i could comment or re butte a post if i felt i had something to say... Maybe next time you put a disclaimer to say its a private conversation then or better yet message him.


This is your first sentence in your post to me: "...I know he doesn't need any one to help him but do you always have to try your best to belittle someones opinion?..."

So you come into the discussion, and the first thing you do is to attack me. Do you think I don't see that?

And I'm not patronising to you. If you don't like the fact I said interfere, then that's your problem, not mine. I've explained the position. If you can't let it go, then there's nothing else I have to say to you.

Go and bother someone else...
 
This is your first sentence in your post to me: "...I know he doesn't need any one to help him but do you always have to try your best to belittle someones opinion?..."

So you come into the discussion, and the first thing you do is to attack me. Do you think I don't see that?

And I'm not patronising to you. If you don't like the fact I said interfere, then that's your problem, not mine. I've explained the position. If you can't let it go, then there's nothing else I have to say to you.

Go and bother someone else...

Attack you? Oh ffs... Don't be so sensitive its an observation on how your respond when someone makes a point you disagree with. You call their point stupid or nonsense or simply diminish its validity. There are many examples of that in the 1481 pages of that.

Playing the martyr card as always the poor me rhetoric.

No whats patronising is you think no one else should be able to make a point to you or rebuttle something you say. Not that that you said the word 'interfere'.

But again something you don't like and we get responses like highlighted. You kind of just proved my point.

But hey i won't bother your sensitive soul again. No sense in replying or making a point to someone who argues no one can debate them and then when someone does accuses them of attacking him.
 
All the talk of "unelected bureaucrats in Brussells" etc does make me laugh.

Arguably one of the most important people in the UK is the Governor of the Bank of England. Nobody votes for him and he has all the power in the world. Oh and he's currently a foreigner.

If only people had had to sign their name to their votes in the Referendum then the Leave vote would be half what it was.
 
Attack you? Oh ffs... Don't be so sensitive its an observation on how your respond when someone makes a point you disagree with. You call their point stupid or nonsense or simply diminish its validity. There are many examples of that in the 1481 pages of that.

Playing the martyr card as always the poor me rhetoric.

No whats patronising is you think no one else should be able to make a point to you or rebuttle something you say. Not that that you said the word 'interfere'.

But again something you don't like and we get responses like highlighted. You kind of just proved my point.

But hey i won't bother your sensitive soul again. No sense in replying or making a point to someone who argues no one can debate them and then when someone does accuses them of attacking him.


I repeat. This is your first sentence to my post: "..."...I know he doesn't need any one to help him but do you always have to try your best to belittle someones opinion?..."

Not interested in you. Go away and pester someone else. You are boring & tiresome to me, and it's not the first time you've attacked me in this fashion.

Anyone else reading the posts on this and the previous page can see exactly what I mean, and how you have gone on and on and on at me. I repeat - go and pester someone else.
 
I repeat. This is your first sentence to my post: "..."...I know he doesn't need any one to help him but do you always have to try your best to belittle someones opinion?..."

Not interested in you. Go away and pester someone else. You are boring & tiresome to me, and it's not the first time you've attacked me in this fashion.

Anyone else reading the posts on this and the previous page can see exactly what I mean, and how you have gone on and on and on at me. I repeat - go and pester someone else.

Attacked you.... stop over blowing it. Asking why you have a tendency to dismiss other peoples comments when they don't suit you is not attacking you. Attack you don't be so dramatic.

As for the boring comment haha!! Have you seen some of the stuff you type? Maybe i should feel attacked you calling me boring going of your logic?


Oh and then asking for people to come defend you haha!!
 
Ireland will have final say on progress of Brexit talks, says EU
Donald Tusk says that if Ireland cannot accept UK offer for its border, EU will not allow negotiations to move on to trade




Donald Tusk (right) with the Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar. Photograph: Aidan Crawley/EPA

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent

@lisaocarroll
Friday 1 December 2017 17.53 GMTFirst published on Friday 1 December 2017 17.38 GMT

Ireland will have the final say on whether the UK has made sufficient progress in negotiations over the weekend to move to the next stage of Brexit talks, the president of the European council, Donald Tusk, has said.

After an hour-long meeting with Leo Varadkar in Dublin, Tusk said he had agreed that the taoiseach would be consulted fully before the guidelines for negotiations on Brexit transition arrangements would be circulated among the 27 member states.

Ireland, which is looking for written commitment that there will be no return to a hard border with Northern Ireland, has threatened to veto progress if Britain does not come up with a satisfactory and concrete offer by next Monday.

“Let me say very clearly. If the UK offer is unacceptable for Ireland, it will also be unacceptable for the EU. I realise that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand,” said Tusk.

“But such is the logic behind the fact that Ireland is the EU member while the UK is leaving.

“This is why the key to the UK’s future lies – in some ways – in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”

He told reporters after the Dublin meeting that Theresa May had been asked to “put a final offer on the table” by 4 December in order to “ assess whether sufficient progress can be made at the upcoming European council” which meets on 13 and 14 December.

At that meeting the 27 member states will decide formally whether or not the “sufficient progress” test will be met on three issues: the financial settlement, EU citizens’ right and the Irish border.

“And we have agreed today that before proposing guidelines on transition and future relations to the leaders, I will consult the taoiseach if the UK offer is sufficient for the Irish government,” he added.

British and European Brexit task force officials are having “intense discussions” on how to reconcile the desire by all parties not to have a hard border with the legal requirement to have customs border checks once the UK departs the bloc.

There is no indication yet of a text that would be agreeable to the Irish, and Varadkar warned again on Friday that Ireland was prepared to prevent talks moving forward.

“I’m also prepared to stand firm with our partners if needs be, if the offer falls short on any of those issues including the Irish ones,” he said.

He reiterated that Ireland believed “the best and most obvious solution would be for the UK to remain in the customs union and the single market but as the British have ruled that out” it was seeking alternative “credible” and “concrete” solutions.

“We have to ensure we avoid the risk by any regulatory divergence,” he said.

He said he believed that “with the right engagement and the right political will” agreement could be reached. “The next few days will be crucial,” he added".

Interesting week-end in store, and I don't just mean the Huddersfield game.
 
Ireland will have final say on progress of Brexit talks, says EU
Donald Tusk says that if Ireland cannot accept UK offer for its border, EU will not allow negotiations to move on to trade




Donald Tusk (right) with the Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar. Photograph: Aidan Crawley/EPA

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent

@lisaocarroll
Friday 1 December 2017 17.53 GMTFirst published on Friday 1 December 2017 17.38 GMT

Ireland will have the final say on whether the UK has made sufficient progress in negotiations over the weekend to move to the next stage of Brexit talks, the president of the European council, Donald Tusk, has said.

After an hour-long meeting with Leo Varadkar in Dublin, Tusk said he had agreed that the taoiseach would be consulted fully before the guidelines for negotiations on Brexit transition arrangements would be circulated among the 27 member states.

Ireland, which is looking for written commitment that there will be no return to a hard border with Northern Ireland, has threatened to veto progress if Britain does not come up with a satisfactory and concrete offer by next Monday.

“Let me say very clearly. If the UK offer is unacceptable for Ireland, it will also be unacceptable for the EU. I realise that for some British politicians this may be hard to understand,” said Tusk.

“But such is the logic behind the fact that Ireland is the EU member while the UK is leaving.

“This is why the key to the UK’s future lies – in some ways – in Dublin, at least as long as Brexit negotiations continue.”

He told reporters after the Dublin meeting that Theresa May had been asked to “put a final offer on the table” by 4 December in order to “ assess whether sufficient progress can be made at the upcoming European council” which meets on 13 and 14 December.

At that meeting the 27 member states will decide formally whether or not the “sufficient progress” test will be met on three issues: the financial settlement, EU citizens’ right and the Irish border.

“And we have agreed today that before proposing guidelines on transition and future relations to the leaders, I will consult the taoiseach if the UK offer is sufficient for the Irish government,” he added.

British and European Brexit task force officials are having “intense discussions” on how to reconcile the desire by all parties not to have a hard border with the legal requirement to have customs border checks once the UK departs the bloc.

There is no indication yet of a text that would be agreeable to the Irish, and Varadkar warned again on Friday that Ireland was prepared to prevent talks moving forward.

“I’m also prepared to stand firm with our partners if needs be, if the offer falls short on any of those issues including the Irish ones,” he said.

He reiterated that Ireland believed “the best and most obvious solution would be for the UK to remain in the customs union and the single market but as the British have ruled that out” it was seeking alternative “credible” and “concrete” solutions.

“We have to ensure we avoid the risk by any regulatory divergence,” he said.

He said he believed that “with the right engagement and the right political will” agreement could be reached. “The next few days will be crucial,” he added".

Interesting week-end in store, and I don't just mean the Huddersfield game.

I'm sure this has been mentioned several times already, but could there be anything more revealing about this whole embarrassing mess than the fact that the most obvious, predictable problem - the Irish border question - is just now beginning to dawn on the Brexiters?

But I'm sure the people who couldn't even conceive that this would be a challenge have got an otherwise entirely fool-proof and cunning plan to make everything else brilliant.

Full steam ahead then mateys :oops:
 
I'm sure this has been mentioned several times already, but could there be anything more revealing about this whole embarrassing mess than the fact that the most obvious, predictable problem - the Irish border question - is just now beginning to dawn on the Brexiters?

But I'm sure the people who couldn't even conceive that this would be a challenge have got an otherwise entirely fool-proof and cunning plan to make everything else brilliant.

Full steam ahead then mateys :oops:

Blair and Major did talked about it at a conference in Northern Ireland before the vote. The DUP, Kate Hoey and others dismissed their warnings.
 
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