Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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That's a really crappy picture which shows a random number next to a country, but I assume it's from this article from the express (@mods, are we allowed to post the express here?) http://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-Britain-UK-net-contribution-Brussels-Cameron

Are you not aware it's not just a rough sum you take out and it's a percentage of GDP/GNI? Do you want smaller countries which need to "get up to speed", so to say, to give some 10 billion euro, which they don't even have per year overall? It's how a union works - richer countries (UK, Germany, Netherlands, Italy) help out the smaller ones (all of Eastern Europe).

Do you know that, despite how shocking those sums might seem, you're not actually the biggest contributor to anything in the EU? The rebate Thatcher (!) put in place actually puts you down as the least-giving country as percentage per GDP/GNI. Also LOL at the fact on the picture you put on it literally says Germany is basically getting sh** on by the EU, yet, they're very pro-EU, as are the countries that keep joining, how odd eh? Maybe there is a profit there in free trade and movement, but seeing as you're unable to understand that - it must not exist.

From the article:

"Half the UK defence budget" - how aaaaaaawful, less weapons, *GASP*. 1/4 of the NHS bill and less than 1/2 of the Welfare budget - *gasp* again, but you know what? That's not how it works. It's a TOTAL PERCENTAGE, it's not a bunch of EU members sitting there going "you know what, let's just take money straight out the NHS, don't allow any movement of finance in there, no wiggle room, that'll learn the pesky UK".

The article proceeds to inform in a silly way basically the same as the Everton transfer thread - "OMG NET SPEND GUYS IT'S ALL ABOUT NET SPEND".

Do you know, seeing as we're using stated figures here which is wrong as it should be percentages but nevermind that - what the GNI of Britain is, in numbers, and how it compares to the rest of the EU? And how "OMG 25 BILLION GREAT BRITISH POUND STERLINGS" is basically a drop in the ocean?

To carry on:

Italy actually is on that list of "powerhouses" and is infront of Britain for contributions both as %GDP and as a total sum. In fact, up until 2014 Britain was 4th with roughly 10% of total contributions being from them, the rest - Germany (~20% TOTAL OVERALL CONTRIBUTION), France (~18%), Italy (~16%). In fact, Spain is right behind the UK with about 9%, but let's not get into detail there.
Here is the full map without Cameron in front of it:
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The rest of the article pretty much goes on to say how Britain should give even less for some reason, despite being wealthy enough to comfortably give more, and how unfair it is to Germany that they fund 1/5th of the whole operation of the EU.
The only figure on the there is us losing 3.219.4 billion add to that the immigration the size of Hull stretching our local services every year we are full that cost is just- Not worth it hence 17 million agreed with me an Voted OUT!
 
Fully expecting a "but you lost so it doesnt matter" type response any time soon.

The only figure on the there is us losing 3.219.4 billion add to that the immigration the size of Hull stretching our local services every year we are full that cost is just- Not worth it hence 17 million agreed with me an Voted OUT!

Thanks Joe.
 
The only figure on the there is us losing 3.219.4 billion add to that the immigration the size of Hull stretching our local services every year we are full that cost is just- Not worth it hence 17 million agreed with me an Voted OUT!
For what it's worth, seeing as you ignored the rest of what I wrote - not even half of those are from the EU, to quote official 2015 statistics.

"3.219.4 billion" is not a valid number, but if you mean 3 billion, or even 3 trillion for that matter - the GNI of the UK is 233 trillion $PPP, so it's still not even a drop in the ocean.


*to edit myself but still remaining a tit and true to my mistakes lol , was thinking of something else apparently - it can't be 3 trillion as that's the correct GNI of the UK. My bad!
 
Your mistake was voting remain and losing;)
Not really mate, i'm fairly well insulated, it's our less fortunate citizens and society at large that i'm getting more and more concerned about.

How many people do you think voted for what they'll end up with?
 
Well it won't will it, there's far less social support, far weaker Union's to protect worker's, far less industry. Come on then Joey, how will the UK be in twenty-year's time if we leave ?

Thats the thing though, it might all work out fine and dandy. No one knows. That was my main issue. I dont particularly like the EU as a body, but I was happy with most important bit, namely free trade. And unlike some, I was not happy lobbing that over the garden fence on a wing and a prayer, based on stuff the likes of Farage talked about.
 
Wonderful logic that. As if the democratic process hasn't already been gone through.

Or is your democratic process: Let's keep having referendums until Number_25 gets the decision THEY want!

17 months on, and still...

The same excuses were used against having general elections.

I'll humour you, even if you seem like the sort that throths at the mouth at the idea of rational thought.

Giving people the right to vote, and change their mind is at the very core of democracy - is it not?
 
Thats the thing though, it might all work out fine and dandy. No one knows. That was my main issue. I dont particularly like the EU as a body, but I was happy with most important bit, namely free trade. And unlike some, I was not happy lobbing that over the garden fence on a wing and a prayer, based on stuff the likes of Farage talked about.
Think you might be in for another railway Roydo ?
 
Think you might be in for another railway Roydo ?

Haha! Outlook bleak currently. Its only about 2 miles needed to link to the mainline, and the actual track is there. (Was closed years ago). Just needs a small station and some WD40. But y'know, things drag.
 
I'll humour you, even if you seem like the sort that throths at the mouth at the idea of rational thought.

Throwing insults like the above are the refuge of the defeated.

You simply didin't like the fact that I pointed out that your stance semmed to that we have more referendums until you get the vote you wanted...
 
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