Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

It's political fluff aimed at trying to say that we're ready for any eventuality, when they know fine well that we're not. It'll be a physical impossibility for the UK to be truly ready for WTO terms in Spring of 2019.

Why did they not start this planning on June 23rd last year btw?

They should have, obviously.

Now here’s an interesting piece of news.....

“Britain could join a formal trade alliance with the US, Canada and Mexico if Britain is unable to secure a post-Brexit deal with the EU under plans being considered by ministers.

The Telegraph understands that the Government is examining the possibility of joining the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as Nafta, as part of its planning for a “no deal” scenario.

Joining Nafta would enable the UK to boost its trade with three of the world’s economic powerhouses, which have a combined Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of £17.2 trillion, compared with the EU’s GDP of £15.7 trillion.

Together, Britain, the US, Canada and Mexico account for more than 30 per cent of the entire global economy.”

 

[peteblue]

you think?
The trend may not be to go forward like that, but to go back into the many small states like Catalonia, Saxony, Picardy etc.

Could well happen, but the EU would not allow it.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They should have, obviously.

Now here’s an interesting piece of news.....

“Britain could join a formal trade alliance with the US, Canada and Mexico if Britain is unable to secure a post-Brexit deal with the EU under plans being considered by ministers.

The Telegraph understands that the Government is examining the possibility of joining the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as Nafta, as part of its planning for a “no deal” scenario.

Joining Nafta would enable the UK to boost its trade with three of the world’s economic powerhouses, which have a combined Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of £17.2 trillion, compared with the EU’s GDP of £15.7 trillion.

Together, Britain, the US, Canada and Mexico account for more than 30 per cent of the entire global economy.”

Is that the Nafta that Trump wants to leave?

 

[peteblue]

Is that the Nafta that Trump wants to leave?

Indeed, the very same, but they probably won’t leave and it would be very attractive to NAFTA members to have the U.K. as a member. Opportunities will keep popping up.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Indeed, the very same, but they probably won’t leave and it would be very attractive to NAFTA members to have the U.K. as a member. Opportunities will keep popping up.....

We (whilst in the EU) had a trade deal with them. You may remember TTIP? Trump squashed it as one of the first things he did in office. He's also just banged Bombardier with hefty tariffs to protect Boeing. I mean really Pete.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We (whilst in the EU) had a trade deal with them. You may remember TTIP? Trump squashed it as one of the first things he did in office. He's also just banged Bombardier with hefty tariffs to protect Boeing. I mean really Pete.

220% and then after the furore about it, they've just slapped another 80% on top......

The idea that Trump is going to throw his arms open to the UK for a free trade deal with the US is fanciful. Did all the Brexiteers miss his "America First" election slogan like?

 

[Harryflashman]

Indeed, the very same, but they probably won’t leave and it would be very attractive to NAFTA members to have the U.K. as a member. Opportunities will keep popping up.....

I don't think anyone knows what trump is going today from one minute to the next but it's only today he's said “I happen to think that NAFTA will have to be terminated if we’re going to make it good. Otherwise, I believe you can’t negotiate a good deal" . I'd suggest, and I'm sure you're agree , it's probably not something to stake your nations financial future on .

As has been said before the one thing Trump does seem adamant on is putting America first and American industry first . Once again I don't think hoping they're going to offer us particularly helpful terms or lucrative deals is realistic.

220% and then after the furore about it, they've just slapped another 80% on top......

The idea that Trump is going to throw his arms open to the UK for a free trade deal with the US is fanciful. Did all the Brexiteers miss his "America First" election slogan like?

Absolutely, It seems totally counterintuitive to think anything different .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

We (whilst in the EU) had a trade deal with them. You may remember TTIP? Trump squashed it as one of the first things he did in office. He's also just banged Bombardier with hefty tariffs to protect Boeing. I mean really Pete.

Well, its Liam Fox remit, so UK jobs can expect a good shafting with America first policy inside NAFTA.

 

[peteblue]

We (whilst in the EU) had a trade deal with them. You may remember TTIP? Trump squashed it as one of the first things he did in office. He's also just banged Bombardier with hefty tariffs to protect Boeing. I mean really Pete.

Of course, but perhaps our remainers shouldn’t be so happy about it. It really comes across as though you will be happy if the U.K. fails. We’ve moved on, Brexit is happening, we need people talking the country, it’s capabilities and it’s opportunities up rather than the incessant negativity we see from the privileged and the upset. We all know it’s going to be tough, and I’ve said before, I’m more than happy to lose completely the 8% of our gdp that consists of the EU trade. But we will do some form of deal, we will develop additional opportunities, we will be better off and we will be free of this inward looking, bureaucracy that currently controls our lives......

 

[peteblue]

220% and then after the furore about it, they've just slapped another 80% on top......

The idea that Trump is going to throw his arms open to the UK for a free trade deal with the US is fanciful. Did all the Brexiteers miss his "America First" election slogan like?

What does America first mean ?, really. He wants Americans to produce the stuff that America needs. But he also wants to sell American produce elsewhere, which requires reciprocal trade. I agree with him when he says how many American vehicles do you see in Germany versus the number of German vehicles in the US. Sometimes the balance of trade is not right. We have exactly the same problem with the EU, they sell far more to us than we sell to them and it isn’t balanced. Don’t just go on the rhetoric, look to what is equitable. At the moment Trump thinks that America are being played as mugs, who import German goods etc and also pay for their military protection, and guess what, he’s right........

 

[JimmyJeffers]

When we are out, when to get a referendum to go back in again? i guess around 2045..

I'll be old and angry by then so I'll be voting OUUUUUUTTTTT
The remoaners can sniff it

 

[peteblue]

I'll be old and angry by then so I'll be voting OUUUUUUTTTTT
The remoaners can sniff it

No, you’ll be voting to remain, remain out.......

 

[Joey66]

We (whilst in the EU) had a trade deal with them. You may remember TTIP? Trump squashed it as one of the first things he did in office. He's also just banged Bombardier with hefty tariffs to protect Boeing. I mean really Pete.

Have you bought Nick Clegg's new book yet on how to reverse Brexit - it's amazing he is spouting the same guff that lost him his seat in the last election - also what the Lib dems preached where they now fill a mini bus instead of a taxi of MPs!
Bruce on about cliff edges leaving the EU where you around in the 1970's when Ted Heath had to pay a kings ransom for us to join?
As soon as we went into then the common market - { no transition mentioned then} prices soared in the shops - the commonwealth countries had stopped all our special trade deals on food etc .
purchase tax from 3% to 9% disappeared for 10 % VAT on a bigger majority of goods!
I remember my late mother , and father saying it was a big mistake then - we were being ripped off from day one by Europe - then followed the common agricultural policies which the French have thrived upon ever since - hence we had butter mountains, grain mountains, over production of wine - countries abroad were starving, and the common market created greed, and waste - nothing changes other than I'm alright Jack - that's how the present negotiations are going = self preservation for the EU -
The only favour General De Gaulle did for us he stopped us joining after all we had done for him and his beloved country in the war it was only when we were burdened with high joining fee, ironical they now want a high leaving fee when all those years ago they did not want us originally anyway!
Thats my recollection of it, and yes I voted to join then as the propaganda then to join was so spurious as the Brexit campaign to leave!

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Have you bought Nick Clegg's new book yet on how to reverse Brexit - it's amazing he is spouting the same guff that lost him his seat in the last election - also what the Lib dems preached where they now fill a mini bus instead of a taxi of MPs!
Bruce on about cliff edges leaving the EU where you around in the 1970's when Ted Heath had to pay a kings ransom for us to join?
As soon as we went into then the common market - { no transition mentioned then} prices soared in the shops - the commonwealth countries had stopped all our special trade deals on food etc .
purchase tax from 3% to 9% disappeared for 10 % VAT on a bigger majority of goods!
I remember my late mother , and father saying it was a big mistake then - we were being ripped off from day one by Europe - then followed the common agricultural policies which the French have thrived upon ever since - hence we had butter mountains, grain mountains, over production of wine - countries abroad were starving, and the common market created greed, and waste - nothing changes other than I'm alright Jack - that's how the present negotiations are going = self preservation for the EU -
The only favour General De Gaulle did for us he stopped us joining after all we had done for him and his beloved country in the war it was only when we were burdened with high joining fee, ironical they now want a high leaving fee when all those years ago they did not want us originally anyway!
Thats my recollection of it, and yes I voted to join then as the propaganda then to join was so spurious as the Brexit campaign to leave!

YOU TELL EM JOEY LAD!

 

[degsy]

Could well happen, but the EU would not allow it.....

they might not 'allow' it but they would have to stop it if the people got the devolution/self determination bit between their teeth.
Not that I would wish it on anybody but in 'recent modern times' the Spanish have form for bloody civil war and armed repression at home. That's before you even get to Cortez
The EU might yet, over time fall apart internally due to the first Brexit domino...and who's to say it won't devolve further.
There has been a slow trend for bigger...but things move a lot quicker now.

What gets bigger can only get so big http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1/index.html

2000 years ago Rome hadn't peaked
1200 years ago England was a loose collection of regions, Wessex, Mercia etc
200 years ago The German State didn't exist, Nor Italy.
100 years ago The Geo-Political map of Europe was totally different.
50 years ago It was different again
25 years ago it changed again.
There are now Scottish, Welsh and NI 'pretendy parliaments' and with Nicola Krankie stirring the pot - who knows

5 years hence ?
25 years hence ??
50, 100, 200 ???

you think 100 yrs is a long time, my Nan was born the year Victoria died...it soon mounts up and flies by.

As McMillan said - events dear boy, events.

Edit; After years of slowly moving to 'free trade' Countries are starting to quietly (Australia) and not so (Trump) slap on tariffs and engage in economic and resourse protectionism.

Don't poo-poo it