Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

On the contrary, I think the EU is doing well at the moment (at the right things at any rate). The French election of Macron, and the Dutch rejection of Wilders, has given them a fillip and helped reaffirm the liberal core it has. The EU economy is doing considerably better than the UK economy, and if anything, Brexit has helped secure those results in both the Netherlands and France as the continent rejected the populism that suckered us in.

The only real threat to the EU at the moment is Trump, and frankly that lunatic is a threat to all of humanity.

Oh, and please, can we stop this silliness about 'remaining a trading block', as it's completely groundless. For instance, I mentioned earlier about the air industry getting jittery as Brexit means they leave the EU open aviation market that allows them to fly to/from any airport in the EU. Part of that agreement is not only access to the market, but access to the European Aviation Safety Agency, which in addition to providing safety rules and regulations, also ensures that aircraft can access the EU market mentioned above.

Similar rules occur in most industries, from nuclear to agriculture, and are a fundamental part of regulating a common market. You play the game, you play by the same rules as everyone else. That happens for all countries that sign a deal with the EU, but whereas Britain had a say in crafting those rules before, now it will have none.

Of the four freedoms that underpin the EU, each and every one of them concerns trade, and it baffles me how people think we can trade internationally whilst cocking a snook at everyone else and imposing ourselves on the global community. It's cloud cuckoo land.

In what way is the EU doing well. Unemployment is ridiculous and only helped by the UK absorbing EU workers......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In what way is the EU doing well. Unemployment is ridiculous and only helped by the UK absorbing EU workers......

The UK is the worst performing EU country economically this year, which given that the EU contains states that have historically done very badly (Italy, Greece et al), that's quite an achievement.

 

[peteblue]

The UK is the worst performing EU country economically this year, which given that the EU contains states that have historically done very badly (Italy, Greece et al), that's quite an achievement.

The Euro area has 9.3% unemployment, the U.K. has 4.5%.......

 

[edge]

The UK is the worst performing EU country economically this year, which given that the EU contains states that have historically done very badly (Italy, Greece et al), that's quite an achievement.

That's the first quarter figures not the year figures, it's the UK on 2% ,Euro zone figure was 1.9. when taken over a year.
Even using this quarter France is nearly the same and just above us in the list, most of the biggest rise is in former Soviet block countries, not something we should really be looking at those when compared to the UK.
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[Alan Whittle]

The Euro area has 9.3% unemployment, the U.K. has 4.5%.......

I know, and all those zero hours contracts.

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

I suspect the ghastly Polish state see no irony at all in their opposition to accepting refugees coming at the same time that Britain voted to leave the EU in no small part due to opposition to Polish migrants. Intolerance cuts both ways unfortunately.

the population of Africa is due to triple shortly and with global warming a great many of them will be trying to leave
all accepting an endless number of refugees will do is bring down living standards in Europe to those of the third world

at some point you have to let your head rule your heart and draw a line in the sand

 

[Brennan]

The Euro area has 9.3% unemployment, the U.K. has 4.5%.......

And how many of those jobs are full time, decently paid jobs that allow people not to live payslip to payslip ?

 

[orchard]

You make it sound like all the African birds are about to drop sextuplets tonight there mate.

the population of Africa is due to triple shortly and with global warming a great many of them will be trying to leave
all accepting an endless number of refugees will do is bring down living standards in Europe to those of the third world

at some point you have to let your head rule your heart and draw a line in the sand

 

[orchard]

The Euro area has 9.3% unemployment, the U.K. has 4.5%.......

You'll be taking the National crime figures at face value next.

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

You make it sound like all the African birds are about to drop sextuplets tonight there mate.

"In the past year the population of the African continent grew by 30 million. By the year 2050, annual increases will exceed 42 million people per year and total population will have doubled to 2.4 billion, according to the UN. This comes to 3.5 million more people per month, or 80 additional people per minute. At that point, African population growth would be able to re-fill an empty London five times a year."

now factor in the rapid desertification that will occur due to climate change and you'll get an idea of the wave of displacement coming
lifeboat ethics are going to be very much in effect

 

[orchard]

I wasn't commenting on the point you were making mate,just the urgency you appeared to imply, hence my response.

"In the past year the population of the African continent grew by 30 million. By the year 2050, annual increases will exceed 42 million people per year and total population will have doubled to 2.4 billion, according to the UN. This comes to 3.5 million more people per month, or 80 additional people per minute. At that point, African population growth would be able to re-fill an empty London five times a year."

now factor in the rapid desertification that will occur due to climate change and you'll get an idea of the wave of displacement coming
lifeboat ethics are going to be very much in effect

 

[peteblue]

And how many of those jobs are full time, decently paid jobs that allow people not to live payslip to payslip ?

Well about 3-4 million of those jobs are occupied by EU nationals. Otherwise our unemployment would be zero....

 

[peteblue]

You'll be taking the National crime figures at face value next.

Not really. I've never believed in absolute numbers, they just give an indication.....

 

[Brennan]

Well about 3-4 million of those jobs are occupied by EU nationals. Otherwise our unemployment would be zero....

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ur-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk

Interesting how those unemployed Brits aren't filling the jobs left empty by the migrants.

Also, I'd be interested to know how 3-4 million of those jobs are occupied by EU nationals when at the last count less than 3 million EU nationals were living in the UK. Of those 3 million, estimates are that around 2 million are working.

Or are they all working 2 jobs ?

 

[peteblue]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ur-shortage-as-migrant-workers-shun-racist-uk

Interesting how those unemployed Brits aren't filling the jobs left empty by the migrants.

Also, I'd be interested to know how 3-4 million of those jobs are occupied by EU nationals when at the last count less than 3 million EU nationals were living in the UK.

Ok, less than 3 million, my point still stands. We will always use foreign Labour when needed. The point being that we have jobs, we are creating jobs, while the EU stands for unemployment......do you have any articles on the youth unemployment in the EU or the near 20% unemployment in Spain or Greece......