Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

So you are saying austerity should not end and that the public sector - the nurses, teachers, police, fire service etc. - should only have 1% wage increase. The Tories can only end austerity and the pay freeze by taking money from the magic money tree. No surprising the Tories are trying to pinch Labour's clothing for political purposes as they can't come up with anything original.

Some said May and her sidekicks - Johnson, Davis and Fox (who seems to have disappeared from the Brexit negotiations) - were the best people to lead the negotiations. Nothing could be further from the truth. They have gone from megaphone negotiations demanding all and sundry to sheepishly be unprepared for any negotiations. They are like rabbits in the headlights.

Due to their incompetent they are leading the economy into deep crap unless they change tact. Which they will probably do and pay for special treatment here and there for the car industry and the financial sector and allow the farms, fruit and veg pickers and the NHS to get the labour they want and to have special treatment for the island of Ireland. They will introduce a 'visa' system to be able to claim that 'we are controlling immigration from the EU'.

They will probably pull out of the ECHR and the European court of Justice - in 1972 when the Tories took us in without a vote they signed up and surrendered the sovereignty of UK law to the European court, as well as signing up to the 4 freedoms capital, goods, services and labour - in the Treaty of Rome and subsequent directives until 1975. People had a chance in 1975 to bring back sovereignty to the UK but the majority voted not to, indicating that they were satisfied with relinquishing sovereignty to the EU.

With every passing day, more and more of the bigwigs in the country and coming out of the woodwork and demanding a resolution. The time is ticking on the Tories and they know it.

In 1975 there was no discussion about loss of sovereignty, the four freedoms or any other such issue. It was about remaining in a common trading block.......

 

[Raphael_Hythloday]

tax increases to the rich usually result in a lower tax take

It doesn't unless money is moved abroad.

The wealthiest pay more in income tax than any other members of society. The top 1% pay 27% of all income tax, which is down from 2016.

Corporation tax only took £43billion for the year 2016 - 2017. Excise duty was higher at £48billion.

tax loopholes have been addressed to some degree

A start has been made between a number of countries to ensure that the differences between their respective tax regimes do not get arbitraged to the benefit of multinationals.

This start would not have taken place unless the tax affairs of the multinationals in question had come into the public domain.

There is often a lot of talk about corporate social responsibility, but the discussion should be about corporate social duty.

but the only surefire way of getting more tax is by increasing tax across the board

That doesn't need to happen. There is plenty of money in the system but too much is spent unwisely. The richest people and the wealthiest corporations should be taxed more than average Joe because they have more money.

The Conservative party's greatest achievement has been to convince the public and their mates in the media that they are fiscally responsible. They are not.

 

[neil999]

Of course....but tax increases to the rich usually result in a lower tax take, tax loopholes have been addressed to some degree but there is far more that can be done, but the only surefire way of getting more tax is by increasing tax across the board. I have no problem with any party clearly stating that we will pay for things by increasing tax, but pretending it can be done by 'taxing the rich' is just a con.......

agree, i'd be happy to pay more tax and im not rich(honest)

 

[peteblue]

It doesn't unless money is moved abroad.

The wealthiest pay more in income tax than any other members of society. The top 1% pay 27% of all income tax, which is down from 2016.

Corporation tax only took £43billion for the year 2016 - 2017. Excise duty was higher at £48billion.



A start has been made between a number of countries to ensure that the differences between their respective tax regimes do not get arbitraged to the benefit of multinationals.

This start would not have taken place unless the tax affairs of the multinationals in question had come into the public domain.

There is often a lot of talk about corporate social responsibility, but the discussion should be about corporate social duty.



That doesn't need to happen. There is plenty of money in the system but too much is spent unwisely. The richest people and the wealthiest corporations should be taxed more than average Joe because they have more money.

The Conservative party's greatest achievement has been to convince the public and their mates in the media that they are fiscally responsible. They are not.

There is a need to have a sensible debate regarding the UK debt and taxation but I doubt it will happen. The chancellor has raised this issue over the last week or so but I don't believe John McDonnell either understands the issues nor wishes to address them in a grown up fashion.....

 

[hullefc]

In 1975 there was no discussion about loss of sovereignty, the four freedoms or any other such issue. It was about remaining in a common trading block.......

In 1973 Heath took the UK into the European Economic Communities without the consent of the people but with a vote in parliament. Heath signed away sovereignty to the European Court of Justice and signed up to the free movement of capital, goods, services and people.

In 1975 there was a discussion about sovereignty led by both Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. One of Benn's points was that sovereignty wasn't with the democratically elected UK parliament which could be overruled by the European Court of Justice. There was also a major discuss about how multinationals would use Europe to undermine workers rights in this country. Free movement of people wasn't an issue as not many European citizen came to live and work in the UK in the early 1970s.

I am very very surprised that you were unaware that the UK gave up sovereignty in 1973. That may explain why you didn't take the opportunity to take back control in the national interest in 1975 like millions of other people did.

 

[hibbo'sclass]

In 1973 Heath took the UK into the European Economic Communities without the consent of the people but with a vote in parliament. Heath signed away sovereignty to the European Court of Justice and signed up to the free movement of capital, goods, services and people.

In 1975 there was a discussion about sovereignty led by both Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. One of Benn's points was that sovereignty wasn't with the democratically elected UK parliament which could be overruled by the European Court of Justice. There was also a major discuss about how multinationals would use Europe to undermine workers rights in this country. Free movement of people wasn't an issue as not many European citizen came to live and work in the UK in the early 1970s.

I am very very surprised that you were unaware that the UK gave up sovereignty in 1973. That may explain why you didn't take the opportunity to take back control in the national interest in 1975 like millions of other people did.

Law of ignored potential consequences, call it Hibbo's Law.
@peteblue I am distressed that you brought this invasive EU blight on my life. Hang your head in shame.

 

[jal123]

In 1973 Heath took the UK into the European Economic Communities without the consent of the people but with a vote in parliament. Heath signed away sovereignty to the European Court of Justice and signed up to the free movement of capital, goods, services and people.

In 1975 there was a discussion about sovereignty led by both Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. One of Benn's points was that sovereignty wasn't with the democratically elected UK parliament which could be overruled by the European Court of Justice. There was also a major discuss about how multinationals would use Europe to undermine workers rights in this country. Free movement of people wasn't an issue as not many European citizen came to live and work in the UK in the early 1970s.

I am very very surprised that you were unaware that the UK gave up sovereignty in 1973. That may explain why you didn't take the opportunity to take back control in the national interest in 1975 like millions of other people did.

It's almost like he doesn't know what he's on about!

 

[peteblue]

Law of ignored potential consequences, call it Hibbo's Law.
@peteblue I am distressed that you brought this invasive EU blight on my life. Hang your head in shame.

Sorry.....

 

[hullefc]

It's almost like he doesn't know what he's on about!

He doesn't do rational thought ........

 

[peteblue]

In 1973 Heath took the UK into the European Economic Communities without the consent of the people but with a vote in parliament. Heath signed away sovereignty to the European Court of Justice and signed up to the free movement of capital, goods, services and people.

In 1975 there was a discussion about sovereignty led by both Tony Benn and Enoch Powell. One of Benn's points was that sovereignty wasn't with the democratically elected UK parliament which could be overruled by the European Court of Justice. There was also a major discuss about how multinationals would use Europe to undermine workers rights in this country. Free movement of people wasn't an issue as not many European citizen came to live and work in the UK in the early 1970s.

I am very very surprised that you were unaware that the UK gave up sovereignty in 1973. That may explain why you didn't take the opportunity to take back control in the national interest in 1975 like millions of other people did.

I was twenty in 73 and twenty two in 75, recent voting shows just how we shouldn't allow the young to have a decisive input. The voting age should have been 25 or 30. I'm glad you agree with me.......

 

[peteblue]

He doesn't do rational thought ........

I only do rational thought......

 

[hullefc]

I was twenty in 73 and twenty two in 75, recent voting shows just how we shouldn't allow the young to have a decisive input. The voting age should have been 25 or 30. I'm glad you agree with me.......

Your hatred of our country in 1975 and not trusting the sovereignty of our country is truly noted .......

Age doesn't preclude not knowing what is going on.

 

[Raphael_Hythloday]

There is a need to have a sensible debate regarding the UK debt and taxation but I doubt it will happen.

Along with immigration and more recently the EU, the economy is all the political class talk about. Endlessly. If you are suggesting the government must be tougher with tax evasion, I agree; but what do you propose? What are your solutions? See this link from today's Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ervice-sector-car-sales-economy-business-live

You will see that the service sector - which constitutes almost all of the UK's GDP - has hit a four month low. In a previous post you said the government and, previously, the coalition government were beginning to control the economy. In which way?

The chancellor has raised this issue over the last week or so but I don't believe John McDonnell either understands the issues nor wishes to address them in a grown up fashion.....

What do you mean by "a grown up fashion"? In which way is McDonnell potentially less responsible than Philip Hammond or George Osborne?

The problem with the economy started in this country in 1979 via the introduction of Neoliberalism. Corbyn and McDonnell, to their great credit, are two of the only politicians brave enough to challenge the assumed doctrine of neoliberal capitalism. It is why both men, particularly Corbyn, are popular with the electorate.

 

[orchard]

Yea, but what about his shares in BAE ffs?

Along with immigration and more recently the EU, the economy is all the political class talk about. Endlessly. If you are suggesting the government must be tougher with tax evasion, I agree; but what do you propose? What are your solutions? See this link from today's Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ervice-sector-car-sales-economy-business-live

You will see that the service sector - which constitutes almost all of the UK's GDP - has hit a four month low. In a previous post you said the government and, previously, the coalition government were beginning to control the economy. In which way?



What do you mean by "a grown up fashion"? In which way is McDonnell potentially less responsible than Philip Hammond or George Osborne?

The problem with the economy started in this country in 1979 via the introduction of Neoliberalism. Corbyn and McDonnell, to their great credit, are two of the only politicians brave enough to challenge the assumed doctrine of neoliberal capitalism. It is why both men, particularly Corbyn, are popular with the electorate.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I was twenty in 73 and twenty two in 75, recent voting shows just how we shouldn't allow the young to have a decisive input. The voting age should have been 25 or 30. I'm glad you agree with me.......

Given that about 40% of the 1.4m Brexit majority are now dead I make you wrong.