Current Affairs EU In or Out

[orchard]

Where are they going to walk to the moon or something?

If only mate...

 

[hullefc]

They may 'walk out of the talks' because they haven't a clue what to do in these negotiations. They want to eat their cake and eat it but unfortunately, they can't please all the masters. The farmers, fruit and veg growers etc. want EU labour but some people voted out to stop free movement. Ah but this can be solved by having a visa system but they want to come out the EU so they can 'bonfire red tape'. But visas will add to the red tape.

But they can't stop free movement into the UK, unless they put border controls on island of Ireland, something that cannot be allowed under the Good Friday Agreement. If they did they would have to re-write the GFA. Something that will have to happen anyway given that there is references to the EU and the ECHR. The only way to get around this is to allow the north of Ireland to have special status. Something the DUP do not want and the Scots have asked for that and been told no.

There are numerous banks/insurance companies looking for property in Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, Madrid, Amsterdam etc. and some have already moved some operations abroad. The financial sector want special treatment as does the car industry.

No wonder that the Tories are threatening to walk out so as to blame the EU for the collapse in talks. They are a shambles.

 

[orchard]

I voted remain as a 'lesser of two evils', as it was apparent what a Con party in Government would do.
Up until now I have been okay acquiescing with the readily misinterpreted will of the slender 'out' vote. Not any more, the current Government are a shambles and are patently using it to further their own party political ends. Enough

They may 'walk out of the talks' because they haven't a clue what to do in these negotiations. They want to eat their cake and eat it but unfortunately, they can't please all the masters. The farmers, fruit and veg growers etc. want EU labour but some people voted out to stop free movement. Ah but this can be solved by having a visa system but they want to come out the EU so they can 'bonfire red tape'. But visas will add to the red tape.

But they can't stop free movement into the UK, unless they put border controls on island of Ireland, something that cannot be allowed under the Good Friday Agreement. If they did they would have to re-write the GFA. Something that will have to happen anyway given that there is references to the EU and the ECHR. The only way to get around this is to allow the north of Ireland to have special status. Something the DUP do not want and the Scots have asked for that and been told no.

There are numerous banks/insurance companies looking for property in Dublin, Paris, Frankfurt, Madrid, Amsterdam etc. and some have already moved some operations abroad. The financial sector want special treatment as does the car industry.

No wonder that the Tories are threatening to walk out so as to blame the EU for the collapse in talks. They are a shambles.

 

[hullefc]

I voted remain as a 'lesser of two evils', as it was apparent what a Con party in Government would do.
Up until now I have been okay acquiescing with the readily misinterpreted will of the slender 'out' vote. Not any more, the current Government are a shambles and are patently using it to further their own party political ends. Enough

In a way the main thing that has come out of the vote is that there has developed a political crisis. 'Call me Dave' has abandoned ship, there has been a shift in Labour to the left to represent the growing anger in the country, there has been an election that has resulted in a hung parliament and as a result it looks like austerity is coming to an end. And there looks like another election will probably happen around autumn.

I voted to come out in 1975 because it was a business club and would be used to hammer the working class and erode our benefits we had fought for. I used my postal vote - was away at the Euros watching Northern Ireland in Paris and the Republic in Lille - to vote out as I wanted to give Cameron a kicking because the Labour party was not standing up to austerity. I took a political decision to use my vote to try and get rid of the Tories.

 

[orchard]

It's no happening soon enough though, is it?
The Tories were trashing the economy prior to Brexit and continue to do so, selling as much infrastructure off as they can, and are hastening our exit stupidly, so that they can enact legislation behind closed doors before they're booted out.
May's like Alexander and the Gordian knot on 'phet the way she's slicing through our laws.

In a way the main thing that has come out of the vote is that there has developed a political crisis. 'Call me Dave' has abandoned ship, there has been a shift in Labour to the left to represent the growing anger in the country, there has been an election that has resulted in a hung parliament and as a result it looks like austerity is coming to an end. And there looks like another election will probably happen around autumn.

I voted to come out in 1975 because it was a business club and would be used to hammer the working class and erode our benefits we had fought for. I used my postal vote - was away at the Euros watching Northern Ireland in Paris and the Republic in Lille - to vote out as I wanted to give Cameron a kicking because the Labour party was not standing up to austerity. I took a political decision to use my vote to try and get rid of the Tories.

 

[hullefc]

It's no happening soon enough though, is it?
The Tories were trashing the economy prior to Brexit and continue to do so, selling as much infrastructure off as they can, and are hastening our exit stupidly, so that they can enact legislation behind closed doors before they're booted out.
May's like Alexander and the Gordian knot on 'phet the way she's slicing through our laws.

It may not be happening soon enough but it is happening. There has been a sea change politically in no small part brought on my Brexit the thing is to try and accelerate the demise of the Tories. Economically they are all over the place with u turn after u turn and making themselves look weak and wobbly.

 

[orchard]

Let's see how many rally to May when she wraps herself in the flag and claims faux outrage at the supposed behaviour of the EU.

It may not be happening soon enough but it is happening. There has been a sea change politically in no small part brought on my Brexit the thing is to try and accelerate the demise of the Tories. Economically they are all over the place with u turn after u turn and making themselves look weak and wobbly.

 

[hullefc]

Let's see how many rally to May when she wraps herself in the flag and claims faux outrage at the supposed behaviour of the EU.

They well may 'rally' around her or they may not. Europe has always pulled the Tories apart and there are numerous rumblings of discontent about her approach. Let's see what happens when the fine detail starts to emerge. But one thing I don't think will happen, is crude in your face austerity as they haven't got the stomach for it, or the fight to impose it. Too much bad news has already come out about it.

The City of London, Institute of Directors and the CBI are demanding assess to the EU and no amount of flag waving will satisfy their demands.

 

[peteblue]

In a way the main thing that has come out of the vote is that there has developed a political crisis. 'Call me Dave' has abandoned ship, there has been a shift in Labour to the left to represent the growing anger in the country, there has been an election that has resulted in a hung parliament and as a result it looks like austerity is coming to an end. And there looks like another election will probably happen around autumn.

I voted to come out in 1975 because it was a business club and would be used to hammer the working class and erode our benefits we had fought for. I used my postal vote - was away at the Euros watching Northern Ireland in Paris and the Republic in Lille - to vote out as I wanted to give Cameron a kicking because the Labour party was not standing up to austerity. I took a political decision to use my vote to try and get rid of the Tories.

So your hatred of the tories was greater than your love of our country and its future fortunes......

 

[hullefc]

So your hatred of the tories was greater than your love of our country and its future fortunes......

Oh dear. Is that the best you can come up with. In 1975 I voted out when the well known Tory Harold Wilson gave us the vote. I was acting in the national interest to protect the sovereignty of parliament to determine economic, social and political policies.

So you think the 'future fortunes' of this country is at peril from me voting out. So Brexit has been a bad thing then? Either the 'future fortunes' are good with Brexit or it is bad with Brexit? Which is?

I like many many people voted out to give the Tories a kicking due to their austerity treatment of the in and out of working poor, the vulnerable, those with disabilities, those on benefits and getting sanctioned often illegadlly etc..

There is a vast swathe of people that hate the Tories. You may or may not be aware of it, but there is.

 

[peteblue]

Oh dear. Is that the best you can come up with. In 1975 I voted out when the well known Tory Harold Wilson gave us the vote. I was acting in the national interest to protect the sovereignty of parliament to determine economic, social and political policies.

So you think the 'future fortunes' of this country is at peril from me voting out. So Brexit has been a bad thing then? Either the 'future fortunes' are good with Brexit or it is bad with Brexit? Which is?

I like many many people voted out to give the Tories a kicking due to their austerity treatment of the in and out of work poor, the vulnerable, those with disabilities, those on benefits and getting sanctioned often illegally etc..

There is a vast swathe of people that hate the Tories. You may or may not be aware of it, but there is.

I always voted in the UK interest, which is why I originally voted in and now voted out. I couldn't give a stuff about any political parties. You however seem driven by a pathological hatred, surely this is not healthy......

 

[roydo]

I like many many people voted out to give the Tories a kicking due to their austerity treatment of the in and out of work poor, the vulnerable, those with disabilities, those on benefits and getting sanctioned often illegally etc..

I might have missed something, but I would have thought voting Out to kick the Tories, given the inbuilt majority they are likely to command re boundary changes, and well, the general conservatism of the UK, (well England really), was a bit of an own goal.

Like, its worked out ok I guess, in that respect, but I would have thought a vote on In or Out would have been a non party issue.

 

[peteblue]

I might have missed something, but I would have thought voting Out to kick the Tories, given the inbuilt majority they are likely to command re boundary changes, and well, the general conservatism of the UK, (well England really), was a bit of an own goal.

Like, its worked out ok I guess, in that respect, but I would have thought a vote on In or Out would have been a non party issue.

He doesn't do rational thought......

 

[hullefc]

I always voted in the UK interest, which is why I originally voted in and now voted out. I couldn't give a stuff about any political parties. You however seem driven by a pathological hatred, surely this is not healthy......

Millions of people would disagree with you that voting to stay in the Common Market was in the national interest.

Oh dear. 'Pathological'. Seems like you are getting a bit hot under the collar and losing it old bean, it is not very healthy.

 

[hullefc]

He doesn't do rational thought......

Oh dear. Not very healthy dear chap.