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bluecol said:
Bruce Wayne, if you are a staff member and forum moderator what are you doing posting on here? Do you moderate your own posts? How do you find the time to do your job at the same time as flooding this thread with your opinions?
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As far as I am aware. He doesn't over-moderate this thread. He leaves plenty of room for all sorts of opinions. Would be a strange world if moderators weren't allowed to post their opinions.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
In the decades leading up to the Greek bailout, successive governments operated at a deficit of 8% on average. That includes pre-Euro, and certainly pre-Merkel. If you keep maxing out the credit card, it'll come back to bite you in the end.

"The Greek crisis started in late 2009, triggered by the turmoil of the Great Recession, structural weaknesses in the Greek economy, and revelations that previous data on government debt levels and deficits had been undercounted by the Greek government."

From Wikipedia. None of those things are the fault of Merkel or Germany.

It is hilarious though really. On one hand you want the British government to Welsh on agreements we have already made with the EU on projects worth ~€52bn, yet on the other hand, you believe that Merkel should be killed for lending the Greek government €56bn (the British government gave bugger all lest we forget) that you believe they should happily write off.
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I haven't said the uk should walk away from its commitments, I fact a few pages back I said even if we were to pay it all it would be a price worth paying, but I don't think we are libel for anything like that .
As for not loaning anything to Greece sorry untrue through the European Financial Stability Mechanism the UK via its share of contributions actually paid the equivalent of roughly 600 million euro's towards the latest Greek loan, we also paid billions towards Irelands and Portugal's bailouts also, though unlike the euro counties we are protected from non payment.
The fact Greece were allowed in in the first place is a story in itself, they have mismanaged there economy that's true but a lot of that is down to trying to keep within the framework of being a member of the Eurozone that the could never realistically manage.
As for the bailout deal , how are the Greeks ever supposed to pay it back when due to Merkel and co saying they will not budge on the teams to allow them to have a fighting chance to grow an economy without stringent austerity imposed on them ?
Greece isn't blameless in it demise but it doesn't deserve a kicking when its already down
 
bluecol said:
Bruce Wayne, if you are a staff member and forum moderator what are you doing posting on here? Do you moderate your own posts? How do you find the time to do your job at the same time as flooding this thread with your opinions?
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Bruce does a very good job on here and without him, these threads would have been binned. OK I'll grant you he's mostly wrong but nonetheless he's a good guy........
 
Pete doesn't moderate his own posts! How can it be right for anyone to have the dual role of poster and moderator on the same thread? Incompatible.
Ruairi77 said:
AFAIK Bruce came up with the plan for this section of the site. It's working well. If you think he's breaking rules, make a complaint. He doesn't post any more than Pete but you're not giving him a hard time.
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bluecol said:
Bruce Wayne, if you are a staff member and forum moderator what are you doing posting on here? Do you moderate your own posts? How do you find the time to do your job at the same time as flooding this thread with your opinions?
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he is just a poster like the rest of us, he post all he likes as far as I am concerned he some gives me someone else to argue with, even I admit he has got some good ideas every now and again;)
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
What the final figure will be will be negotiated. It won't be £52BN, as there'll be various contras that'll go against it, not least our share of the current EU cash reserves for example. Equally it won't be £0 as that confrontational idiot would want to suggest is 'fair'.

What will be initially agreed is the scope of how the calculation will be arrived at, there'll be negotiations over what the future liabilities and commitments are to be included and then some horse trading over what should rightly be contra'd against that.

The figure won't be settled until the death imo, as the lawyers and accountants will take an age arriving at it, it's only the principles that'll be agreed at the outset.

Farage's only contribution to his £250k post in the last year has been to wind up the very people who we're going to need to reach an amicable agreement with, he's a loose cannon, and his recent actions aren't helpful.
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52 billion is being branded about perhaps Junkas been at the brandy the old soak!
 
bluecol said:
Pete doesn't moderate his own posts! How can it be right for anyone to have the dual role of poster and moderator on the same thread? Incompatible.
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Seems daft to even use such language on a discussion forum, but no one is above the law here. If you feel I've stepped out of line, by all means report any posts you feel qualify as such, and the other mods will ignore the request give it due care and attention.
 
edge said:
I haven't said the uk should walk away from its commitments, I fact a few pages back I said even if we were to pay it all it would be a price worth paying, but I don't think we are libel for anything like that .
As for not loaning anything to Greece sorry untrue through the European Financial Stability Mechanism the UK via its share of contributions actually paid the equivalent of roughly 600 million euro's towards the latest Greek loan, we also paid billions towards Irelands and Portugal's bailouts also, though unlike the euro counties we are protected from non payment.
The fact Greece were allowed in in the first place is a story in itself, they have mismanaged there economy that's true but a lot of that is down to trying to keep within the framework of being a member of the Eurozone that the could never realistically manage.
As for the bailout deal , how are the Greeks ever supposed to pay it back when due to Merkel and co saying they will not budge on the teams to allow them to have a fighting chance to grow an economy without stringent austerity imposed on them ?
Greece isn't blameless in it demise but it doesn't deserve a kicking when its already down
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I think it's the never ending kicking that is the issue. I too blame Greece for its own problems and overpaying itself. But there comes a time when the creditors need to think about refinancing the debt or even some debt wright off. Germany was once the beneficiary of such an approach, but seems unwilling to bend on this issue......
 
edge said:
he is just a poster like the rest of us, he post all he likes as far as I am concerned he some gives me someone else to argue with, even I admit he has got some good ideas every now and again;)
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That'll be due to the cycling drugs.......
 
bluecol said:
Pete doesn't moderate his own posts! How can it be right for anyone to have the dual role of poster and moderator on the same thread? Incompatible.
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How is that a problem when (I think) he has never moderated one of Pete's posts. You can basically say whatever you want as long as it complies with the general rules. Doesn't even have to be factually correct. You just have to refrain from excesses like starting a GOT Stormfront chapter and similar stuff.
 
Armel said:
How is that a problem when (I think) he has never moderated one of Pete's posts. You can basically say whatever you want as long as it complies with the general rules. Doesn't even have to be factually correct. You just have to refrain from excesses like starting a GOT Stormfront chapter and similar stuff.
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That's because I self moderate. If fact I'm just about to go the pub and have a moderate amount of ale.......
 
A moderator calling a poster "daft" is quite shocking. Makes my point even better than I could have done. And as for your cynical deletion of "ignore the request" it tells us all we need to know about the forum's standards of moderation.
 
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