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[Bruce Wayne]

Not in two years or have you got Viking blood Brucelol

Polish as it happens.

 

[Brennan]

I'm not talking nonsense, believe me.

You need to do proper research into aviation crashes. There was no wreckage of the aircraft type that allegedly crashed at Shanksville. There were no bodies recovered.

You need to critically and objectively examine the events of that day...

There were no bodies recovered because the plane crashed into the ground at full tilt.

http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/conspiracy-nation/

Reality: Indeed first responders saw nothing that resembled a plane, because, really, there was nothing that resembled a plane. According to the black boxes, the skyjackers had put the 757 into a near vertical dive at maximum power. Similar to the case of American 77, the jet disintegrated in a manner totally consistent with an ultra-high speed, direct-impact crash. For the sake of comparison, have a look at the debris field from the crash of American Eagle flight 4184 near Roselawn, Indiana, in 1994. This was a commuter plane that dove into soft earth at half the speed of United 93, yet only the tiniest pieces remained. When PSA flight 1771 crashed in California in 1987, hitting the ground in a similar high-speed nose-dive, the largest remaining pieces were described as “the size of a human hand.” Tom McMillan’s excellent book, “Flight 93,” chronicles the Shanksville crash and subsequent recovery efforts in great detail. The trees surrounding the impact crater were full of bits of luggage and human remains, much of it caught up in branches. Plenty of aircraft debris was later excavated from the crater itself

 

[tsubaki]

I'm not talking nonsense, believe me.

You need to do proper research into aviation crashes. There was no wreckage of the aircraft type that allegedly crashed at Shanksville. There were no bodies recovered.

You need to critically and objectively examine the events of that day...

Sorry but that is just factually wrong. There were remains recovered and they were sufficient to identify at least some of the people on the flight; substantial bits of the aircraft were also recovered as well. People even saw it crash.

 

[Old Blue 2]

There were no bodies recovered because the plane crashed into the ground at full tilt.

http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/conspiracy-nation/

I don't think you really know about plane crashes. You have swallowed hook, line & sinker, the guff put out by the US Government about the Shanksville crash.

I think these two vids might be interesting for you:

 

[Ruairi77]

oh dear...

 

[Old Blue 2]

Sorry but that is just factually wrong. There were remains recovered and they were sufficient to identify at least some of the people on the flight; substantial bits of the aircraft were also recovered as well. People even saw it crash.

Show me the evidence that remains were recovered. There is no evidence of that.

No substantial bits of aircraft were recovered. The only alleged piece recovered was an engine part that wasn't from the engine fitted to the type on the Flight 93 aircraft!

The lack of wreckage is not consistent with an aircraft of that size coming to earth at any angle...

 

[Old Blue 2]

oh dear...

That's what Americans should be saying...

 

[tsubaki]

Show me the evidence that remains were recovered. There is no evidence of that.

No substantial bits of aircraft were recovered. The only alleged piece recovered was an engine part that wasn't from the engine fitted to the type on the Flight 93 aircraft!

The lack of wreckage is not consistent with an aircraft of that size coming to earth at any angle...

er - how about the testimony of the person who recovered and tested some of the remains?

 

[Old Blue 2]

er - how about the testimony of the person who recovered and tested some of the remains?

So how does that square with the official side, which said that about 85% of Flight 93 buried itself in soft ground. And that ground then imploded and covered up the crash completely.

And that article says that someone looked up and saw a tooth 20 feet up in the trees. Come on! And if so much evidence of the remains of Flight 93 was recovered, how come the US authorities have not made it all public. We did with the Lockerbie crash. You can see the amount of aircraft debris from any airliner crash.

There is nothing but lies concerning 9/11. But too many people just accept as fact what they are fed by the (US) Government. You've got to open your eyes and examine critically all the evidence, and supposed evidence.

But if you wish to continue to beleieve ALL re 9/11, carry on - the Gubmint will love you for it...

 

[bluecol]

Back on topic! Today's meeting of MEPs showed us what we are up against. In the words of Nigel Farage they are a Mafia gang, using threats, blackmail and extortion. I am left wondering when the penny will drop. They don't seem to realise that they are dealing with Great Britain, the only country along with tiny Malta to resist the German subjucation of Europe. I am convinced that people who have been rescued by another country have 2 weeks of gratitude then hate their liberators. It's all about shame, the knowledge that they didn't have the balls to fight but had to rely on someone else to come to their rescue.

 

[tsubaki]

So how does that square with the official side, which said that about 85% of Flight 93 buried itself in soft ground. And that ground then imploded and covered up the crash completely.

And that article says that someone looked up and saw a tooth 20 feet up in the trees. Come on! And if so much evidence of the remains of Flight 93 was recovered, how come the US authorities have not made it all public. We did with the Lockerbie crash. You can see the amount of aircraft debris from any airliner crash.

There is nothing but lies concerning 9/11. But too many people just accept as fact what they are fed by the (US) Government. You've got to open your eyes and examine critically all the evidence, and supposed evidence.

But if you wish to continue to beleieve ALL re 9/11, carry on - the Gubmint will love you for it...

er - they did make it public. That was a publicly available comment by the County Coroner, who said what he had found.

 

[Ruairi77]

Back on topic! Today's meeting of MEPs showed us what we are up against. In the words of Nigel Farage they are a Mafia gang, using threats, blackmail and extortion. I am left wondering when the penny will drop. They don't seem to realise that they are dealing with Great Britain, the only country along with tiny Malta to resist the German subjucation of Europe. I am convinced that people who have been rescued by another country have 2 weeks of gratitude then hate their liberators. It's all about shame, the knowledge that they didn't have the balls to fight but had to rely on someone else to come to their rescue.

Wow, this thread is making for some nutty reading today.

 

[JonS]

Here's the clip of Farage's speech.


Love him or hate him, he gives it straight...

Just watched this. Very good as are most of his speeches in the EU. He is certainly a leader and a real heavy weight. Makes most other politicians (including Theresa May - who I'm not knocking here) quite ordinary.

If I agreed with more of his other politics I'd vote for him but thank God he has been around to offer leadership in this area.

Think the Government should offer him a role in some of this (Brexit negotiations or something like that)

 

[Old Blue 2]

er - they did make it public. That was a publicly available comment by the County Coroner, who said what he had found.

You have to have a completely objective approach to all of it.

Have you ever done any kind of research? Have you ever applied all the correct tests to information? Or have you just accepted all that is given to you...?

You really do have to go in deep and examine all that is put forward, against all the tests that apply. You probably believe it was a jet that hit the Pentagon. Yes...???

 

[tsubaki]

You have to have a completely objective approach to all of it.

Have you ever done any kind of research? Have you ever applied all the correct tests to information? Or have you just accepted all that is given to you...?

You really do have to go in deep and examine all that is put forward, against all the tests that apply. You probably believe it was a jet that hit the Pentagon. Yes...???

Not with regards to this, but in other matters yes.

I would likewise encourage you to question your own beliefs - specifically whether you think its reasonable to believe that the US Government would have entirely faked a jet crash, suborned dozens if not hundreds of witnesses, erased (or invented and then erased) fifty people from existence, planted fake evidence, created fake radio traffic and video and fitted it in exactly to a sequence of other spectacular fakes hundreds of miles away.

Did they shoot the aircraft down? Perhaps. Invented some technical means to bring it down? It is possible, I suppose. Faked it entirely? Pretty sure that is going to be complete nonsense.