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Utter Cad.
Exactly. Doesn't say put £350 million into the NHS each week, does it? 'No' is the answer! QED End of...! Thank you for supporting my contention.
It pretty clearly does, I'm afraid.
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It pretty clearly does, I'm afraid.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Don't let it all get to you mate. There are very few countries better than the one you are in. Just let the Brexit thing happen, we will settle down and still do OK. Immigration will still happen, possible even more when we get the commonwealth behind us. Life changes, embrace it.........
1966efc
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From what I can understand, the argument goes that he doesn't think he can live live in a country where people disagree with him. He then demonstrates appalling manners and has the temerity of admitting he has repsonsibility of young people's education.
My God.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
No, I can't believe that, Clint can accept argument.......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
That Anna Soubry woman really is a piece of work. I've never seen anyone get so worked up and hyper because she doesn't agree with Brexit. I remember on the night of the vote when she seemed to be getting more and more drunk and abusive as the results started to come in. Can you just imagine how bleeding hopeless she would be if we had a real crisis, like conflict with Russia........pathetic example of our ruling class.......
1966efc
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I've seen absolutely nothing whatever to support that. Check back to the stuff about about the nature of Leave voters. Ignorant beyond the nth.
And that doesn't bother me at all in anyone else. But the whining garbage about I hate my country an you;re all racist morons persuades me that I would want two clear English miles between him / her and the education of my kids.
Old Blue 2
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What are you reading???
It says:
We send the EU £350 million a week.
Let's fund our NHS instead.
Now if you can find anywhere on that bus where it says let's give the NHS £350 million a week, then pass me your glasses, because you are clearly seeing something at present that patently is NOT there...
Old Blue 2
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Go read his response to our present discussion about £350 million and the bus. Refuses to accept that it does not say give the NHS £350 million a week.
If you think we are particularly racist or intolerant I think you will have a shock if you move elsewhere.
IMO we are one of the most tolerant countries around including in Europe.
That doesn't mean that there is any excuse for any racism or intolerance that exists post-Brexit or nothing to do with Brexit, just that many countries pay lip service to tolerance until they get someone of a different skin colour moving in next to them whereas we are already living like that and in most cases very successfully.
You're probably going to hate me for this but the only thing wrong with that UKIP poster for me was that it focussed on people with exclusively brown skin.
As a comment on the numbers of people coming into the country or likely to come in (witnessed by the massive rise in the country's population over the last 10-15 years) or the fact that it is possible in parts of the country to actually feel and witness it (eg by the increasing density of housing) then the poster was accurate.
The focus on the brown skins apart it reminded me of the Tories Labour Isn't Working poster at the time of Thatcher which was also factual (unemployment had gone up then, just like immigration has gone up now).
Finally Clint would you be equally happy with Brown skinned immigrants from the rest of the world under Brexit, as you would with mostly white European immigration as we have under the EU? (I am not saying you wouldn't or accusing you of anything, just curious, as I can say myself, as a Brexit voter that I would be as happy or even happier to have non white immigration from the rest of the world (probably with the exception of anyone who wouldn't integrate) as more Europeans
Whatever ones views on the issue itself it is hard for me to believe that anyone would think it was not ok to have a referendum on the very important consitutional issue of ever closer political union via the EU.
Writer Ian McEwen manages it though: http://gu.com/p/64tdq
Writer Ian McEwen manages it though: http://gu.com/p/64tdq
Woolly Blue
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This really
I didn't want us to leave the EC, but it's going to happen. Clint, and other staunch remainers need to find a way to deal with it or you'll just become Mr Angry and get consumed with bitterness. Worst case is you might become like davek, and no-one wishes that on anyone.
Barring it's bloody awful climate, this country, for all it's faults, is one of the best to live and work in. That's why EC migrants come here, because it's better than the countries they were born in.
Old Blue 2
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Whatever ones views on the issue itself it is hard for me to believe that anyone would think it was not ok to have a referendum on the very important consitutional issue of ever closer political union via the EU.
Writer Ian McEwen manages it though: http://gu.com/p/64tdq
Thanks for putting that article up.
From reading it, it would appear that he cannot accept a democratic vote, so his only stance would therefore be a 'dictatorship' of sorts (a Parliamentary dictatorship, which is what we have now!), yet he then go on to denigrate the referendum as reminiscent of a 'plebiscite' such as operated in/under the Third Reich (a non-democratic dictatorship). What does he want exactly? His own form of dictatorship, but if it doesn't suit his agenda, then he will pillory it...? As someone who is a writer, he needs to sort out where his logical arguments are coming from. Because at the moment, they are coming from diametrically opposed ideas. And if you think about it logically, you cannot have both.
dead_soft
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Whatever ones views on the issue itself it is hard for me to believe that anyone would think it was not ok to have a referendum on the very important consitutional issue of ever closer political union via the EU.
Writer Ian McEwen manages it though: http://gu.com/p/64tdq
I don't believe it was okay to have a referendum on this issue. I don't agree with a plebiscite democracy. We live in a parliamentary democracy. When we vote for a local MP the idea is that we vote not just on the individual issues we agree on with them but that they are able to understand and inform on constant issues that arise. The public will not have the time or ability to understand the complexities of every issue, and we hope that our MPs are in a position to debate and come to a reasoned understanding on them. Therefore, we allow them the power to vote as the House of Commons.
If you believe that we should have a referendum on this, do you believe we should have a referendum on every bill put forward? If not, what is the line that we draw for when a referendum should take place? Privatisation of state run infrastructure? Taxation rates? Minimum wage?
dead_soft
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So, you are saying that we currently live in a form of dictatorship? What form of governance would you replace the current system with?
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