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    Votes: 688 67.9%

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    Votes: 325 32.1%
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edge said:
were have the EU given this assurance?
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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
They haven't yet, but it's not them who are leaving the organisation, it's us, we should be therefore leading on this issue.

Do you think they're even remotely interested in forced repatriation of UK citizens? We can lead they will follow, it's simply the right thing to do, in order to give 3 million people peace of mind.
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Teresa May is obviously keen to give that assurance but wants the EU to give the same assurance to British citizens.

So who is holding back this giving of mutual assurance?

seems pretty obvious it's the EU to me.

and of all the issues troubling the world whether some EU citizens over here for economic reasons have to go back to their own peaceful countries that they have rights to return to (or Brits abroad returning to the UK) is one of the ones Im least bothered about, to be frank...
 
JonS said:
Teresa May is obviously keen to give that assurance but wants the EU to give the same assurance to British citizens.

So who is holding back this giving of mutual assurance?

seems pretty obvious it's the EU to me.

and of all the issues troubling the world whether some EU citizens over here for economic reasons have to go back to their own peaceful countries that they have rights to return to (or Brits abroad returning to the UK) is one of the ones Im least bothered about, to be frank...
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The Home Office have amended regulations to allow them to deport EU nationals more easily, and indeed have given EU nationals lower status than non-EU nationals by requiring spouses of British citizens to have health insurance. So if my other half and I have a child, and she wants to mother that child full-time, the Home Office can remove her from the country, despite living here 15 years, working in the NHS for 10 of those and having two degrees from here. She has zero right to remain despite all of that.

When one side of the negotiations are being duplicitous, it's perhaps understandable that the other shows reserve.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The Home Office have amended regulations to allow them to deport EU nationals more easily, and indeed have given EU nationals lower status than non-EU nationals by requiring spouses of British citizens to have health insurance. So if my other half and I have a child, and she wants to mother that child full-time, the Home Office can remove her from the country, despite living here 15 years, working in the NHS for 10 of those and having two degrees from here. She has zero right to remain despite all of that.

When one side of the negotiations are being duplicitous, it's perhaps understandable that the other shows reserve.
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Fair comment mate. I don't agree with the home office doing that
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The Home Office have amended regulations to allow them to deport EU nationals more easily, and indeed have given EU nationals lower status than non-EU nationals by requiring spouses of British citizens to have health insurance. So if my other half and I have a child, and she wants to mother that child full-time, the Home Office can remove her from the country, despite living here 15 years, working in the NHS for 10 of those and having two degrees from here. She has zero right to remain despite all of that.

When one side of the negotiations are being duplicitous, it's perhaps understandable that the other shows reserve.
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Would the home office really do that Bruce? I thought an EU citizen living and working here for 5 years had permanent right to reside?

I may be wrong but just asking...
 
JonS said:
Would the home office really do that Bruce? I thought an EU citizen living and working here for 5 years had permanent right to reside?

I may be wrong but just asking...
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Apparently not. The law was originally put in place in 2004 when the A8 nations joined the EU to prevent welfare systems being overwhelmed by new migrants. Now, you could argue that the law won't be enforced, but the prospect of it being enforced still leaves an awful lot of uncertainty for many people who have made their homes here.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Apparently not. The law was originally put in place in 2004 when the A8 nations joined the EU to prevent welfare systems being overwhelmed by new migrants. Now, you could argue that the law won't be enforced, but the prospect of it being enforced still leaves an awful lot of uncertainty for many people who have made their homes here.
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Unbelievable this.

All this disruption and uncertainty for many, and for what?
 
edge said:
No i dont think they or us are going to repatriate , anyone , but it would be foolish to give a one sided committment that could affect are citzens that live anbroad, or do you think its ok to let them not have same peace of mind you want for EU citzens here .
I would rather not just assume they were treated fairly by the EU .
Its simple if they do the right thing , we do it together not before.
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There you go then, if you think neither side have any intention of that being the case then let's stop the smoke and mirrors around the issue and set the record straight. Which was exactly the point the Lords were making.
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
Only it isn't.

Since the referendum over 3 million people who live and work here have been seriously concerned about their futures. The idea that we should take those people to the negotiating table as a bargaining chip is down right offensive.

The idea that the EU won't reciprocate once we make it clear that those who are here can stay post Brexit, is pure nonsense, mass deportations of citizens was never going to happen on either side, so lets just put it to bed and put the minds of those who are genuinely concerned about it at rest.
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I think it's just politicking by the Lords, who don't really give a stuff about anyone bar themselves. However May could shoot this fox by amending the bill to say that the UK will treat EU nationals in exactly the same way as the EU will treat UK nationals and that the UK will not negotiate any part of Brexit until this issue is agreed......
 
Foot Long Hot Dog said:
They haven't yet, but it's not them who are leaving the organisation, it's us, we should be therefore leading on this issue.

Do you think they're even remotely interested in forced repatriation of UK citizens? We can lead they will follow, it's simply the right thing to do, in order to give 3 million people peace of mind.
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We need to give 4.2M people peace of mind.......
 
peteblue said:
Indeed, and I doubt you would find many people who would disagree. But the UK folk in the EU are human beings too and we need to find a form of words that ensures reciprocity......
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We don't, we simply need to say they can stay, and the EU will be politically obliged to reciprocate

As it stands May has them in her satchel as a bargaining chip, and it's plain wrong
 
peteblue said:
I think that's unfair. May has consistently and regularly raised this issue and made her point to the EU. She and her ministers are all publicly saying the same thing, that they want a deal done ASAP. It is the intransigence of the EU and Germany that is holding this back and playing politics........
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I am not sure that it is, to be honest. May could easily have set out her stall, brought in legislation and made it conditional on the EU providing the same level of security to British citizens abroad.

Instead she has done very little apart from blame the EU and allow the "performance culture" at the Home Office - ie: deporting people who follow the system because they are much easier to find than those who don't - to continue, despite the human cost and the fact that it incentivizes migrants to act illegally (which is why there are people camped at Calais rather than queueing up at British embassies worldwide).
 
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