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What the hell does Clinton have to do with it......
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What the hell does Clinton have to do with it......
joey_macmo
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No idea Pete, I mean it's not as if you liked the post which prompted Bruce's reply or anything.
peteblue
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No idea Pete, I mean it's not as if you liked the post which prompted Bruce's reply or anything.
You seem to believe that liking a post gives it some form of support. Sometimes people like a post because it is clever, or funny, or well written or well researched or is just a good post.......
Or he,s gone Googleyed Pete lol
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Tbf, Clinton was mentioned as part of the post that I apparently 'liked', but Clinton still has nothing to do with it. It would be like quoting polling results for Hitler in the 1930's.....interesting but irrelevant......
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Did the bathelors do a song with My remoaner in the chorus?Another Remoaner rears his head...
lol My Remoana a big hit lol
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UK firms 'face more, not less, red tape if Britain exits customs union'
Open Britain group says businesses would be buried in ‘avalanche of paperwork’ if subjected to non-EU import/export rules
A British and an EU flag. One campaigner said British businesses face a ‘bombshell of Brexit bureaucracy’. Photograph: Stefan Rousseau/PA
Alexandra Topping and Peter Walker
Published:14:30 GMT+00:00 Sun 11 December 2016
UK businesses will have to deal with 60m more pieces of paperwork each year if Britain leaves the customs union as it departs the EU, according to research from a group campaigning to keep trade links with the bloc after Brexit.
According to Open Britain, a hard Brexit could spark an “avalanche of paperwork” if thousands of importing and exporting businesses were forced to fill out similar forms to those required in moving goods and services beyond the union.
The claim comes as the government faces another potential legal challenge to its Brexit plans, this time from two campaigners who are seeking a judicial review in the high court to keep Britain in the single market.
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Under the EU customs union, which deals with rules relating to trade, unified tariffs are levied on imports to the whole area, meaning no new charges or associated paperwork are needed for goods shipped between members.
Poll suggests public will not accept a Brexit that leaves them worse off
According to Open Britain, which has support from remain MPs in the three main Westminster parties, customs data shows that last year the UK made 70.5m import declarations and 6.5m export declarations over trade in non-EU goods.
The group says that if leaving the customs union involved a similar level of customs paperwork, it would require businesses to complete more than 45m import declarations and 15m export declarations every year.
This contradicts the arguments of pro-Brexit campaigners made before the June referendum, namely that leaving the EU would save businesses from EU-related bureaucracy, said the Labour MP Chris Leslie, who backs the group.
“Brexit isn’t a liberation from red tape but the beginning of an avalanche of paperwork for businesses trading with Europe,” he said. “Ministers should commit to publishing a full cost-benefit analysis of the consequences of leaving the customs union, rather than just airily asserting that it will benefit our trade and our economy without any evidence for those claims.”
Jo Carberry, of Open Britain, said leaving the customs union would result in “a bombshell of Brexit bureaucracy for British businesses”.
Meanwhile, membership of the single market, the EU’s wider agreement on free trade as well as the movement of people, services and money, could now be argued in the high court, the Sunday Times has reported.
As the supreme court considers the article 50 legal challenge, a new case hinges on whether the government would have to trigger another legal measure to quit the single market.
Claimants in the new case argue that the government has no mandate to withdraw from the single market because it was not on the ballot paper on 23 June and was not included in the Conservative party manifesto for last year’s general election. They argue that the government would have to trigger article 127 of the European Economic Area agreement.
However, the former attorney general Dominic Grieve – one of Open Britain’s supporters in parliament – cast doubts on the legal basis for the new challenge.
“It’s possible that the argument is that the way we leave the single market has to be separate from leaving the EU itself,” he said, speaking on Sky News’ Murnaghan programme on Sunday. “I have some doubts as to whether that would work.”
Asked if the article 50 challenge was simply “the first legal spanner” in the government’s plans and other legal challenges would follow, Grieve said there was “undoubtedly a very large number of legal complexities”. He added: “It’s going to be complicated; it’s 50 years of enmeshed legal obligations and rights.”
The new case comes after it emerged that another legal challenge to Brexit will go ahead in Ireland after crowdfunding hit a £75,000 target within 48 hours. Specialist tax barrister Jolyon Maugham said he was bringing the case to address two issues: whether a notification under article 50 can be revoked and whether Britain would automatically leave the EEA when it left the EU.
Maugham argues that the European council and the European commission may have breached EU law on the grounds that if article 50 cannot be revoked then the government will be forced to accept whatever Brexit deal the EU offers. As an EU nation needs to be named in the legal action, the case will be heard in Ireland’s high court but is likely to be referred to European courts.
The single market court challenge is being brought by remain voter Peter Wilding, chairman of pressure group British Influence, and Adrian Yalland, a Conservative lobbyist who voted to leave.
They have informed Downing Street of their intention to seek the judicial review. Wilding said: “This is not stopping Brexit, this is shaping it. The country demands a win-win, smart Brexit; not a lose-lose ideological hard Brexit which will damage the UK, damage Europe and for which there is no need and no mandate.”
The supreme court spent four days last week hearing arguments over whether the government’s prerogative powers are sufficient to trigger article 50, or if this needs approval from parliament.
A judgment in the case is expected in early January. The government was granted an early appeal direct to the supreme court after the high court ruled last month that it was up to parliament to launch the formal process of exiting the EU.
That decision prompted much angry comment from some newspapers and Conservative MPs that the courts were trying to overturn the decision of the Brexit referendum in June.
However, those behind the article 50 case insist they are simply seeking to ensure that the process happens in accordance with constitutional protocols.
Helen Mountfield QC, representing the crowdfunded People’s Challenge group at the supreme court, said on Thursday that the government was as good as making up the perceived scope of its prerogative powers as it went along.
“It’s much like attempts to catch the Loch Ness monster,” she said. “Because no one has caught it, it is said to be assumed to still roam free.”
The case was not an attempt to “persuade the court to undertake judicial law-making”, she added.
I don mind all this legal challenge etc, it will just ensure that when we leave it will be done properly. It will have no effect upon the deal we do but will put a complete stop to any further challenges or moaning.......
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peteblue
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Frank Ifield did one.....
I remoaner you, ooh
You're the one who said
You love the Eu
A few, months ago
I remoaner you, ooh
You're the one who said
"I love you, too", yes, I do
Didn'tcha know?
I remoaner too
A distant vote and stars that fell
Like the rain out of the blue
Ooh, ooh, ooh, hoo, hoo, hoo
When my life is through
And the angels ask me to recall
The independence vote
Then I will tell them I remoaner you, ooh..........
joey_macmo
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No Pete I seem to believe that liking a post means that said person has read it, It now appears that was a bit of a stretch.
This thread is like some parallel world at times.
joey_macmo
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"I apparently liked"
Logic dictates that if you think Clinton had nothing to do with it then you'd pull the person who brought it up originally not the person who responds to the point.
But that would mean you being logical which is evidently not a strong point
peteblue
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"I apparently liked"
Logic dictates that if you think Clinton had nothing to do with it then you'd pull the person who brought it up originally not the person who responds to the point.
But that would mean you being logical which is evidently not a strong point
Why are your posts always tinged with bitterness and little digs......let it go, enjoy life.........
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