Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

so is Theresa May. so what? this is how parliamentary systems work.



what are you talking about?

It's GE was called tomorrow she would gain power!

 

[Ruairi77]

How many times does it have to be explained to you remainers?! There was no one single leave or remain campaign. Nigel Fararge and UKIP used leave.EU predominantly while groups like vote leave and grassroots out almost completely divorced themselves from Fararge. What about Labour out? They're controlled by the extreme right are they? Or how about th TUSC party which is as left as you can get but wanted to leave? Trump was one man making a single argument, the referendum was completely different, arguing from a wide range of points for extremely different yet nearly all valid reasons. You can keep using posters from UKIP and their groups all you want but it's still only one single sample of a wide range of people who wanted out that has been flogged to death to discredit everyone who voted leave.

Christ on a bike, someone drew a comparison between brexit and trump so I made a comparison between The Farage and Yrump campaigns. I was talking specifically about Farage and Trump.

 

[JammyP]

No need to blow your brains out in a game of Russian roulette you could always try the depression thread?

not the point I was making...

 

[JonS]

Yes, because the UK prevented them from doing so. And are continuing that philosophy now under May.

Surely free trade is either a good or a bad thing (and I am not saying which, I generally don't know. Trump seems to be moving away from it for the US so let's see how that goes).

It can't be such a good thing for the EU ( to the extent that leaving the single market is seen as such a terrible thing) but bad to have it with the rest of the world.

So which is it?

 

[TheFinnFan]

You should hang your head in shame. Nothing can justify stealing the right's of your fellow countrymen/woman, nothing can excuse that. You can keep talking about it being an advisory referendum all you want but history will not look kindly on you.

Just saw that esks post when you quoted it. Im stunned. Looks like for some democracy only works when the result is right for them. It's exactly the same thing in US atm. This is the most dangerous kind of plotting and straight up threatens the core principles of democratic systems. Stun...ned. That kind of attitude and disrespect against voters is despicable...it divides people even more.

 

[1966efc]

Just saw that esks post when you quoted it. Im stunned. Looks like for some democracy only works when the result is right for them. It's exactly the same thing in US atm. This is the most dangerous kind of plotting and straight up threatens the core principles of democratic systems. Stun...ned. That kind of attitude and disrespect against voters is despicable...it divides people even more.

In his defence, he has only asserted his right to campaign / agitate now for the status quo ante at some point ... different if he'd added something like "... before it happens".

 

[TheFinnFan]

In his defence, he has only asserted his right to campaign / agitate now for the status quo ante at some point ... different if he'd added something like "... before it happens".

No problem.

 

[Moomin]

The extent of the "right wing media" in this country is people accessing Breitbart from overseas and tabliod tosh from the Mail. Hardly a point there when the vast majority of papers peddle the left. Not to mention our national news channel. To suggest that the portion of right wing media had a greater influence than the unarguably dominant left is just absurd.

Now what you can say is that through collective reporting of events, people's opinions were swayed in favour of Brexit. Reporting from all news sources. 'Project Fear' as it was so aptly deemed convinced many voters that the risk was not worth any potential reward, but it managed to convince more voters that the referendum was a time to rebel against the elites and the media. They have been dictating events for years and the constant belittling of the public, the "you're racist if you vote leave no exceptions", the "you don't understand economics if you vote leave" was the straw that broke the camel's back for the majority in the country.

Regardless, both sides were willing to say whatever they could in order to achieve the result they wanted. It just so happened that for the remain campaign, that became detrimental to their efforts in the end.

(Irrespective of whether you voted to leave or remain, the idea that leaving wouldn't result in sovereignty is astonishing. The point to make there is whether that sovereignty is a good thing in the modern economic climate.)

Hello, is it Marty you are looking for.

 

[Jags..class]

This had become a farce, the people were asked to vote and voted out. Yes here we are trying to undo the vote

 

[Jags..class]

Just saw that esks post when you quoted it. Im stunned. Looks like for some democracy only works when the result is right for them. It's exactly the same thing in US atm. This is the most dangerous kind of plotting and straight up threatens the core principles of democratic systems. Stun...ned. That kind of attitude and disrespect against voters is despicable...it divides people even more.

Anarchy will follow if there is no democracy

 

[Moomin]

This had become a farce, the people were asked to vote and voted out. Yes here we are trying to undo the vote

Don't think anyone is undoing the vote, it will happen but on what terms.

What is a farce, is that no plan was set in place for a leave vote.

 

[The Esk]

Just saw that esks post when you quoted it. Im stunned. Looks like for some democracy only works when the result is right for them. It's exactly the same thing in US atm. This is the most dangerous kind of plotting and straight up threatens the core principles of democratic systems. Stun...ned. That kind of attitude and disrespect against voters is despicable...it divides people even more.

There's nothing democratic about an advisory referendum based on half truths and lies.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy, a representative democracy which has supremacy. It is for Parliament to decide our future, not an elaborate opinion poll.

 

[TheFinnFan]

There's nothing democratic about an advisory referendum based on half truths and lies.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy, a representative democracy which has supremacy. It is for Parliament to decide our future, not an elaborate opinion poll.

Twist it how ever you want but people have spoken. Please stop underminding people who disagree with you in this matter.

 

[JLW]

There's nothing democratic about an advisory referendum based on half truths and lies.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy, a representative democracy which has supremacy. It is for Parliament to decide our future, not an elaborate opinion poll.

Poor that mate, really poor. People like you will destroy 'democracy' and then we will become real slaves to the system, when we don't even get offered a choice..[/QUOTE]

 

[TheFinnFan]

There's nothing democratic about an advisory referendum based on half truths and lies.

We live in a Parliamentary democracy, a representative democracy which has supremacy. It is for Parliament to decide our future, not an elaborate opinion poll.

Nothing democratic about an advisory referendum? Are you sure about that?