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A real solution needs involvement of all nations though. It's definitely a tough topic. The best option is to tax rich countries with the funds going directly to renewables.
An international political consensus isn't happening soon. We need to get our end in order either way.

Renewables aren't the solution.

Stopping tax breaks and subsidies to those extracting carbon might be a start.
 
The world also doesn’t have the capacity for Westerners to live anywhere near the way we do now.

Brits are riding around in their diesel SUVs, flying for holidays and eating a huge amount of red meat. While simultaneously preaching that the Indians need to pollute less while hundreds of millions of their people live in abject poverty and need coal just to survive.

If we want India to transition quickly away from coal then we need to open our wallets.

Problem is, we do that and it's siphoned off to the wallets of the rich in these countries and into stupid crap like nuclear weapon programs etc. while they carry on the status quo. You see it constantly with things like foreign aid.

There's loads of money around that could be released - it's just that nobody who has their hands on the lever to do so trusts it'd be going anywhere useful. It's akin to throwing bad money on top of bad money at the NHS.

I mean what's the aim? Pay people not to make things in factories? How long do you do that for? Supply and demand doesn't just vanish - these things still have to be made somewhere, even if somehow they did agree to that. There's so many things in this situation that Greta and her pals don't consider.
 
Problem is, we do that and it's siphoned off to the wallets of the rich in these countries and into stupid crap like nuclear weapon programs etc. while they carry on the status quo. You see it constantly with things like foreign aid.

There's loads of money around that could be released - it's just that nobody who has their hands on the lever to do so trusts it'd be going anywhere useful. It's akin to throwing bad money on top of bad money at the NHS.

I mean what's the aim? Pay people not to make things in factories? How long do you do that for? Supply and demand doesn't just vanish - these things still have to be made somewhere, even if somehow they did agree to that. There's so many things in this situation that Greta and her pals don't consider.
Obviously not, but we could do worse than pay people provide less intensive/destructive food. Like the reverse of the clearances/enclosures that forced lots of peasants into towns and formed the backbone of industrialisation.
 
You don't say. Who would have thought. Really well I never...

Can't wait to see the bill to introduce a tax on disposable plastic sporks in 2050.

They'll have folks in the cities eating Soylent Green before they encourage any corporation to leave carbon in the ground.
 

From heatwaves to floods, climate change worsened weather extremes in 2021​

By Lisa Shumaker and Andrea Januta

Dec 13 (Reuters) - Extreme weather events in 2021 shattered records around the globe. Hundreds died in storms and heatwaves. Farmers struggled with drought, and in some cases with locust plagues. Wildfires set new records for carbon emissions, while swallowing forests, towns and homes.

Many of these events were exacerbated by climate change. Scientists say there are more to come – and worse – as the Earth's atmosphere continues to warm through the next decade and beyond.


Here are some of the events Reuters witnessed over the past year:

February — A blistering cold spell hit normally warm Texas, killing 125 people in the state and leaving millions without power in freezing temperatures.


Scientists have not reached a conclusion on whether climate change caused the extreme weather, but the warming of the Arctic is causing more unpredictable weather around the globe.

February — Kenya and other parts of East Africa battled some of the worst locust plagues in decades, with the insects destroying crops and grazing grounds. Scientists say that unusual weather patterns exacerbated by climate change created ideal conditions for insects to thrive.


March — Beijing's sky turned orange and flights were grounded during the Chinese capital's worst sandstorm in a decade.

Busloads of volunteers arrive in the desert each year to plant trees, which can stabilize the soil and serve as a wind buffer. Scientists predict climate change will worsen desertification, as hotter summers and drier winters reduce moisture levels.


June — Nearly all of the western United States was gripped by a drought that emerged in early 2020. Farmers abandoned crops, officials announced emergency measures, and the Hoover Dam reservoir hit an all-time low.

By September, the U.S. government confirmed that over the prior 20 months, the Southwest experienced the lowest precipitation in over a century, and it linked the drought to climate change.


June — Hundreds died during a record-smashing heatwave in the U.S. and Canadian Pacific Northwest, which scientists concluded would
have been "virtually impossible" without climate change.

Over several days, power lines melted and roads buckled. Cities, struggling to cope with the heat, opened cooling centers to protect their residents. During the heatwave, Portland, Oregon, hit an all-time record high of 116 Fahrenheit (46.7 Celsius).


July — Catastrophic flooding killed more than 300 people in central China's Henan province when a year's worth of rain fell in just three days.

Meanwhile in Europe, nearly 200 people died as torrential rains soaked Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. Scientists concluded that climate change had made the floods 20% more likely to occur.


July — A record heatwave and drought in the U.S. West gave rise to two massive wildfires that tore through California and Oregon and were among the largest in the history of both states.

Scientists say both the growing frequency and the intensity of wildfires are largely attributable to prolonged drought and increasing bouts of excessive heat from climate change.


July — Large parts of South America are suffering from a prolonged drought. While Chile is enduring a decade-long megadrought linked to global warming, this year Brazil saw one of its driest years in a century.

In Argentina, the Parana, South America's second-longest river, fell to its lowest level since 1944.


Around the globe, heatwaves are becoming both more frequent and more severe.

August — In the Mediterranean, a hot and dry summer fanned intense blazes that forced
thousands of people to evacuate their homes in Algeria, Greece and Turkey.


The fires, which killed two people in Greece and at least 65 in Algeria, struck amid an intense heatwave, with some places in Greece recording temperatures of over 46 Celsius (115 Fahrenheit).

Late August — Nearly all the world's mountain glaciers are retreating due to global warming. In the Alps, Swiss resort employees laid protective blankets over one of Mount Titlis's glaciers during the summer months to preserve what ice is left.

Switzerland already has lost 500 of its glaciers, and could lose 90% of the 1,500 that remain by the end of the century if global emissions continue to rise, the government said.

August/September — Hurricane Ida, which hit Louisiana as a Category 4 storm, killed nearly 100 people in the United States and caused an estimated $64 billion in damage, according to the NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information.

As the remnants of Ida moved inland, the heavy rains created flash flooding across the densely populated Northeast, vastly increasing the storm's death toll.

Climate change is strengthening hurricanes, while also causing them to linger longer over land – dumping more rain on an area before moving on. Studies also suggest these storms are becoming more frequent in the North Atlantic.

September — Infrastructure and homes in Russia are increasingly in peril as underground permafrost melts and deforms the land underneath them.

Permafrost was once a stable construction base, in some regions staying
staying frozen as far back as the last Ice Age. But rising global temperatures threaten the layer of ice, soil, rocks, sand and organic matter.

November — The worst floods in 60 years in South Sudan have affected about 780,000 people, or one in every 14 residents, according to the U.N. refugee agency. Every year the county goes through a rainy season, but flooding has set records for three years in a row. The destruction will likely increase as temperatures rise, scientists say.

November — A massive storm dumped a month's worth of rain over two days in the Canadian province of British Columbia, unleashing floods and mudslides that destroyed roads, railroads and bridges. It is likely the most expensive natural disaster in Canada's history, although officials are still assessing the damage.

Meteorologists said the rain had come from an atmospheric river, or a stream of water vapor stretching hundreds of miles long from the tropics. Atmospheric rivers are expected to become larger — and possibly more destructive — with climate change, scientists say.
 
Why is 1961-1990 the benchmark for what's normal? Especially when the 1962/63 winter is well known as the longest cold winter ever in the country.. you know just to lower the average temp from which we measure against now.
 
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Why is 1961-1990 the benchmark for what's normal? Especially when the 1962/63 winter is well known as the longest cold winter ever in the country.. you know just to lower the average temp from which we measure against now.


Thanks for that Tipp. I think we can all agree that those two articles prove that Climate Change isn't real, it's a scientific conspiracy and that there is no reason for you to post anything further in this thread
 
Thanks for that Tipp. I think we can all agree that those two articles prove that Climate Change isn't real, it's a scientific conspiracy and that there is no reason for you to post anything further in this thread
I'm just wondering why that particular 29 year period is what has been given the status of normal and is the period that's now to be measured against... if you can answer that then your snarky comment has some basis. If not then it's the ramblings of a dumbass.
 
I'm just wondering why that particular 29 year period is what has been given the status of normal and is the period that's now to be measured against... if you can answer that then your snarky comment has some basis. If not then it's the ramblings of a dumbass.


I can't answer that, you've completely stumped me. Now I think you need to take that article about the really cold winter that happened in 1962 to the world's scientists, it will blow all of their data out of the water and they will weep into their PhDs and decades of empirical research. Do it now Tipp, there's no time to waste
 
Why is 1961-1990 the benchmark for what's normal? Especially when the 1962/63 winter is well known as the longest cold winter ever in the country.. you know just to lower the average temp from which we measure against now.
Do you actually go outside?
 
Lol.

Seriously though, are you looking at this thread with an open mind? Did you read through the partial Reuter's list of unprecedented/ 1/1000yrs / new normal events just above your post?
I was just curious as to why that particular 3 decades is used as the measurement as to what's average especially when there was an unprecedented cold period during it, I'm pretty sure there'd be another 3 decade period that could be picked that would have current temperature below average.
 
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