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grandjoeblue said:
Second biggest country so that is no surprise and it shows that they are trying their best but they do have a heavy reliance on coal.

Possibly a climate change tax on people in rich nations with all of the money going towards infrastructure in poorer countries could work well. Hard to implement though.
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Just saying that many of India's air pollution problems are self-inflicted and policy-driven rather than an over-reliance on coal. For instance, much of the smog around Delhi is due to the burning of crop stubs, which has been banned in China.

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How solving air pollution can boost Indian economy and saves lives

A new report estimates that air pollution costs the Indian economy $95 billion in business costs per year.
 Investment in clean tech is needed to save lives and livelihoods.
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India needs to get its act together.
 
grandjoeblue said:
What's the answer? Let them starve?
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They used to be able to feed a large population well. Now that they've been encouraged to change to industrialised ag. they're literally fighting over over fertiliser that's increased maybe as much as ten-fold. Industrial agriculture's failing on many fronts on its own without any token green-washing.
 
I struggle to get onboard with the blaming of India and China.

How can we guilt trip India when we’ve already had our industrial revolution and pillaged the globe, and now still emit significantly more CO2 due to our lifestyle than they do? 2.5 times as much in fact.

Then there’s the fact that a huge amount of the CO2 being emitted in China is in manufacturing goods which are sold in the UK and other western nations. We’re essentially palming off our CO2 emissions to them.

I saw a stat somewhere that 16 percent of China’s CO2 emissions was as a result of manufacturing products for other nations. The west would look significantly worse if we were to manufacture our own goods.
 
Brennan said:
I struggle to get onboard with the blaming of India and China.

How can we guilt trip India when we’ve already had our industrial revolution and pillaged the globe, and now still emit significantly more CO2 due to our lifestyle than they do? 2.5 times as much in fact.

Then there’s the fact that a huge amount of the CO2 being emitted in China is in manufacturing goods which are sold in the UK and other western nations. We’re essentially palming off our CO2 emissions to them.

I saw a stat somewhere that 16 percent of China’s CO2 emissions was as a result of manufacturing products for other nations. The west would look significantly worse if we were to manufacture our own goods.
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Surprised its only 16%. They make almost all fashion, hardware etc that we use.
 
Brennan said:
I struggle to get onboard with the blaming of India and China.

How can we guilt trip India when we’ve already had our industrial revolution and pillaged the globe, and now still emit significantly more CO2 due to our lifestyle than they do? 2.5 times as much in fact.

Then there’s the fact that a huge amount of the CO2 being emitted in China is in manufacturing goods which are sold in the UK and other western nations. We’re essentially palming off our CO2 emissions to them.

I saw a stat somewhere that 16 percent of China’s CO2 emissions was as a result of manufacturing products for other nations. The west would look significantly worse if we were to manufacture our own goods.
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The trouble is we can't afford to give India or China any slack.

Obviously, we should be leading by example and we aren't at the moment. But the world doesn't have the capacity for India and China to produce the same emissions as us per head.
 
sbbefc said:
The trouble is we can't afford to give India or China any slack.

Obviously, we should be leading by example and we aren't at the moment. But the world doesn't have the capacity for India and China to produce the same emissions as us per head.
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There should be a proposal to tax all UK, EU, Canada, Aus, NZ and USA citizens around 5/10% on all wages and use that money for green energy in India/China. Thats the only fair way of doing it. The above countries have had their fair share of cheap goods from India and China and now they should be prepared to give something back.
 
grandjoeblue said:
There should be a proposal to tax all UK, EU, Canada, Aus, NZ and USA citizens around 5/10% on all wages and use that money for green energy in India/China. Thats the only fair way of doing it. The above countries have had their fair share of cheap goods from India and China and now they should be prepared to give something back.
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Just put an environmental tax proportionate to manufacture and transport. If we realised how much each thing cost the environment in how it hurt our pockets, we might do something about it.

Proposed safely in the knowledge it ain't happening.
 
sbbefc said:
The trouble is we can't afford to give India or China any slack.

Obviously, we should be leading by example and we aren't at the moment. But the world doesn't have the capacity for India and China to produce the same emissions as us per head.
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The world also doesn’t have the capacity for Westerners to live anywhere near the way we do now.

Brits are riding around in their diesel SUVs, flying for holidays and eating a huge amount of red meat. While simultaneously preaching that the Indians need to pollute less while hundreds of millions of their people live in abject poverty and need coal just to survive.

If we want India to transition quickly away from coal then we need to open our wallets.
 
Brennan said:
The world also doesn’t have the capacity for Westerners to live anywhere near the way we do now.

Brits are riding around in their diesel SUVs, flying for holidays and eating a huge amount of red meat. While simultaneously preaching that the Indians need to pollute less while hundreds of millions of their people live in abject poverty and need coal just to survive.

If we want India to transition quickly away from coal then we need to open our wallets.
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You're 100% right but they need to change as much as we do.
 
Brennan said:
How can we guilt trip India when we’ve already had our industrial revolution and pillaged the globe, and now still emit significantly more CO2 due to our lifestyle than they do? 2.5 times as much in fact.

Then there’s the fact that a huge amount of the CO2 being emitted in China is in manufacturing goods which are sold in the UK and other western nations. We’re essentially palming off our CO2 emissions to them.

I saw a stat somewhere that 16 percent of China’s CO2 emissions was as a result of manufacturing products for other nations. The west would look significantly worse if we were to manufacture our own goods.
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If you look at the stats on a per capita basis they are still massively behind the likes of the US.

That’s ignoring the fact that the west are huge consumers and that we have gradually exported alot of our emissions that side of the world over the last 25 years or so.

Yes, it’s a global issue and we need everyone on board but there’s alot we can do in the west.
 
orchard said:
Tbf I'm not sure where this India thing's coming from, most, if not all of the discussion here's been about what we (UK & US-ish) can do/need to do. Whattabout [insert other] tends to be a stalling tactic used by the oil/industry barons.
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A real solution needs involvement of all nations though. It's definitely a tough topic. The best option is to tax rich countries with the funds going directly to renewables.
 
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