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Walken said:
I'm going to keep you on ignore as I believe climate change deniers are a fringe element and your multi link conspiracy theory post style is tedious.

You are championing Tim Ball in opposition, a man who falsely claimed to be a climatologist, also laughably claimed co2 is not a greenhouse gas and who's organisation had to issue a full apology and retraction to Mann in court. The email links campaign was one spurred on with links to Saudi, Russia and fossil fuel companies, the harrassment of scientists after was fueled by koch funded think tanks and those who cited balls non-peer reviewed work was almost exclusively fossil fuel funded republicans, most prominently the buffoon Sarah Palin as a campaign to keep polar bears from an endangered speicies list.

Here is a peer reviewed assessment of Mann's work from an acredited source, while it has its limitations, your conspiracy nonsense is just that

Academy affirms hockey-stick graph. - Document - Gale Academic OneFile

Gale Academic OneFile includes Academy affirms hockey-stick graph. by Geoff Brumfiel. Read the beginning or sign in for the full text.
link.gale.com
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Is this about the Anglian Uni thing and using wood rings as a proxy?
 
orchard said:
Is this about the Anglian Uni thing and using wood rings as a proxy?
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The article I posted mentions the tree rings (ice core samples also used I believe), the attack on Mann and his team was also a big part of an email leaks scandal funded by the koch brothers and the Lair family, really really obvious links to the fossil fuel industry that you would have to be willingly blind to ignore. It was a really nasty campaign that resulted in death threats and uni's hiring security in a blatant attempt to scare climate scientists.

I'm not a particular advocate of Mann per se having not read his books, the article I listed even stated potential weaknesses in the fnding which is how academia largely operates, I have read a few of his papers and he's well qualified in his field and there are plenty of peer review papers available to those who aren't just looking for false flag victories and are actually interested in a dispassionate analysis of the data. The use of tim ball to discredit mann would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad, his work in climatolgy has no credance at all, he avoided the peer review system, lied about his qualifications and sought only audiences already carrying a bias and wanting that bias confirmed, who littered the internet with fake claims of ball winning in court. You see anyone quoting him publicly and the words republican and texas are very likely to follow. To use him as an example to discredit Mann's work show a basic lack of comprehension of how the scientific community functions and a strong flirtation with conspiracy theories.
 
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Walken said:
Was actually reading a bit on the decimation of whale populations (and the loss of their faeces) affecting the oceans as carbon sink. Good to see that touched on here amongst a number of other topics.
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Yeah, some good content, and his intro is a very good overview imo. Quite skeptical of some of the ambitious mitigation efforts he's proposing mind, capitalism loves adding layers, never taking away and it's a complicated solution that may beget other issues. He's very intelligent, but over-specialisation within a discipline frequently prevents the anticipation of consequences elsewhere. Not that i'm saying it's necessarily the case here like. Wouldn't stopping the use of herb/pesticides sink carbon in the living biomass ?

You might find this interesting too mate:

 
orchard said:
Yeah, some good content, and his intro is a very good overview imo. Quite skeptical of some of the ambitious mitigation efforts he's proposing mind, capitalism loves adding layers, never taking away and it's a complicated solution that may beget other issues. He's very intelligent, but over-specialisation within a discipline frequently prevents the anticipation of consequences elsewhere. Not that i'm saying it's necessarily the case here like. Wouldn't stopping the use of herb/pesticides sink carbon in the living biomass ?



You might find this interesting too mate:



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I hear you, but I don't have a problem with reductionist brainstorming, it is usually modelled holistically and even if it becomes unfeasible the research is inevitably useful elsewhere.
 
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