Current Affairs Environmental Stuff

[trueblue84]

Not sure how good your reading skills are, but I just quoted a study from Volvo above that showed to produce these "environmentally saving" technologies costs 70% more in emissions than a diesel or petrol car ...

Based on current infrastructure. Cost would come down dramatically once the switch was made. Change requires some forward thinking.

Im guessing if it was up to you, we'd all still be primordial jizz, stuck to a hydrothermal vent at the bottom of the ocean?

 

[WA Toffee]

Aye, think TL is cherry picking his points here.

However, there is a wider argument about what could be termed 'offset'. By focusing on one environmental catastrophe linked to emissions, the solution requires mining and industrial processes to extract the required materials that are environmentally catastrophic in other ways. I.e. one problem is offset for another.

Now, I'm not saying we should not look for solutions (as our man appears to be), but there are genuine questions about how we best protect our planet. Our woes are inherently linked to over-consumption. Many of the current solutions seem to focus on retaining consumption levels and only focusing on emissions.

Couldn't agree more, it needs a multi pronged attack, EVs are only one part of the solution.

If only that damned hydrogen bus didn't break down it could have taken 30 cars off the road

 

[orchard]

By Helen Catt
Political correspondent

The government is planning to remove a ban on opening new coal mines from a bill that is going through Parliament.
The ban was added to the Energy Bill by peers in the House of Lords.
Ministers also plan to drop changes to the bill which would have enabled small community energy projects to sell electricity directly to local homes.
Green MP Caroline Lucas called the decision "reckless" and said the amendments should be reinstated "immediately".
A government spokesperson said it was made after "careful consideration" and they would continue to engage with parliamentarians.
[...]
Green MP Ms Lucas said the government's approach was "well and truly stuck in the last century".
She said that "after endlessly repeating the importance of no new coal at COP26, its words have proved to be meaningless - and when hundreds of MPs from across the House have thrown their weight behind innovative community energy schemes to generate clean electricity at low cost, ministers rip them to shreds and offer up no alternative".

 

[orchard]

The Fastest-Warming Continent, Europe Has Already Heated by More Than 2 Degrees C​

The 2022 temperature anomaly across Europe as compared to the average from 1991 to 2020. C3S / ECMWF / WMO
Europe is warming faster than any other inhabited continent, with rising temperatures fueling increasingly severe heat waves, floods, and wildfires, according to a new report from the World Meteorological Organization and the Copernicus Climate Change Service.
The Paris Agreement set a goal of halting warming at 2 degrees C, such that the average temperature across the globe over several years does not exceed this target. So far, the planet has warmed by 1.2 degrees C overall, but some regions have already surpassed the 2-degree mark, including Europe, which last year measured 2.3 degrees C warmer than in the preindustrial era, according to the report.
“In 2022, many countries in western and southwestern Europe had their warmest year on record,” WMO Secretary-General Petteri Taalas said in a statement. “Summer was the hottest ever recorded.”
Europe saw a staggering 16,000 heat-related deaths in 2022, while weather-related economic damages totaled $2 billion. Storms and floods accounted for most of the losses, the report said.
As Europe faces more perilous weather, it is also making major gains on clean energy. Last year, wind and solar generated 22 percent of Europe’s power, more than either natural gas (20 percent) or coal (16 percent).
“For the first time, more electricity was generated by wind and solar than by fossil gas in the EU,” Taalas said. “Increasing use of renewables and low-carbon energy sources is crucial to reduce dependence on fossil fuels.”

 

[Toffee_Loaf]

Hooray for the environment ... let's save the planet!

Rishi Sunak to hit households with £170 net zero green levy​

The two-year suspension of green levies announced last autumn is to end from the beginning of July, The Telegraph has learned


Households will pay a £170-a-year green levy on energy bills in the coming days, with Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt accused of “slyly” shifting costs back to consumers.

The Telegraph has learned that the two-year suspension of green levies announced last autumn is to end from the beginning of July, after just nine months.

The cost of the levies was shifted from consumer bills to be funded instead by the Government, following a year-long campaign by energy firms and MPs amid spiraling gas, electricity and food prices last year.

It will again be imposed on consumers, although there has been no formal announcement. Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg, who was business and energy secretary when the costs were taken away from consumers last year, said: “Green levies are part of the problem behind the UK’s particularly high electricity prices. They ought to be abolished but should fall on general taxation until that can happen. The ambition for net zero must not make us cold and poor. “Any new or re-imposed charge ought to be announced to Parliament first and not slipped through slyly.”

A Government spokesman said: “The Government pledged to provide £150 to covering green levies included in energy bills for two years through the Energy Price Guarantee. By the end of June, this Guarantee will have saved a typical household in Great Britain around £1,100 in total, which includes the £150 we committed to.

“However, the EPG will no longer be in effect from July 2023 as Ofgem’s price cap will be set below the EPG’s discount level, meaning customers will pay energy rates in full, including for green levies.

“Levies more than pay for themselves by driving investment in renewables and other generation technology and have saved consumers money on their energy bills overall over the past 10 years.”

Energy firms began calling for the charges to be funded from general taxation in September 2021, when Michael Lewis, the chief executive of Eon UK, described the levies as “a regressive tax” that “would be better in the overall tax base.” Centrica, the owner of British Gas, supported its rival’s call. Robert Halfon, now an education minister, was a prominent backbench proponent of the move.

Andrew Montford, director of the Net Zero Watch campaign group, said: “Shuffling costs from consumers to taxpayers and back to consumers again is a waste of everyone’s time and money. Green levies need to be cut, to give relief to the UK economy as a whole.”

Ofgem, the energy regulator, did not respond to requests for comment.

 

[Tipp blue]

The Fastest-Warming Continent, Europe Has Already Heated by More Than 2 Degrees C​

The 2022 temperature anomaly across Europe as compared to the average from 1991 to 2020. C3S / ECMWF / WMO
Europe is warming faster than any other inhabited continent, with rising temperatures fueling increasingly severe heat waves, floods, and wildfires, according to a new report from the World Meteorological Organization and the Copernicus Climate Change Service.
The Paris Agreement set a goal of halting warming at 2 degrees C, such that the average temperature across the globe over several years does not exceed this target. So far, the planet has warmed by 1.2 degrees C overall, but some regions have already surpassed the 2-degree mark, including Europe, which last year measured 2.3 degrees C warmer than in the preindustrial era, according to the report.
“In 2022, many countries in western and southwestern Europe had their warmest year on record,” WMO Secretary-General Petteri Taalas said in a statement. “Summer was the hottest ever recorded.”
Europe saw a staggering 16,000 heat-related deaths in 2022, while weather-related economic damages totaled $2 billion. Storms and floods accounted for most of the losses, the report said.
As Europe faces more perilous weather, it is also making major gains on clean energy. Last year, wind and solar generated 22 percent of Europe’s power, more than either natural gas (20 percent) or coal (16 percent).
“For the first time, more electricity was generated by wind and solar than by fossil gas in the EU,” Taalas said. “Increasing use of renewables and low-carbon energy sources is crucial to reduce dependence on fossil fuels.”

Hummmmm it just seems like everywhere is warming faster than everywhere else.

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Infographic: Australia is Warming Faster than Global Average

This chart shows mean annual temperature anomaly in Australia and the world on the basis of the mean annual temperature between 1961 and 1990.

www.google.com

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: study

The U.S. West is heating up at nearly twice the rate of the rest of the world and is likely to face more drought conditions in many of its fast-growing cities, an environmental group said on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

Africa warming faster than rest of world: IPCC Sixth Assessment Report

Frequency and intensity of heavy precipitation events projected to increase across the continent

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The Arctic is warming nearly four times faster than the rest of the world

The Earth is approximately 1.1℃ warmer than it was at the start of the industrial revolution. That warming has not been uniform, with some regions warming at a far greater pace. One such region is the Arctic.

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China warns that its temperatures are rising faster than global average

China's average ground temperatures have risen much more quickly than the global average over the past 70 years and will remain "significantly higher" in the future as the challenges of climate change mount, a government official said.

www.reuters.com

Latin America and the Caribbean warming faster than global average

A report on the impacts of climate change in Latin America and the Caribbean has highlighted risks of drought, sea level rise and extreme heat.

www.yourweather.co.uk

 

[orchard]

Hooray for the environment ... let's save the planet!

What's your point cupcake?

 

[Prevenger17]

Hummmmm it just seems like everywhere is warming faster than everywhere else.

Loading…

www.washingtonpost.com

Infographic: Australia is Warming Faster than Global Average

This chart shows mean annual temperature anomaly in Australia and the world on the basis of the mean annual temperature between 1961 and 1990.

www.google.com

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: study

The U.S. West is heating up at nearly twice the rate of the rest of the world and is likely to face more drought conditions in many of its fast-growing cities, an environmental group said on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

Africa warming faster than rest of world: IPCC Sixth Assessment Report

Frequency and intensity of heavy precipitation events projected to increase across the continent

www.google.com

The Arctic is warming nearly four times faster than the rest of the world

The Earth is approximately 1.1℃ warmer than it was at the start of the industrial revolution. That warming has not been uniform, with some regions warming at a far greater pace. One such region is the Arctic.

www.google.com

China warns that its temperatures are rising faster than global average

China's average ground temperatures have risen much more quickly than the global average over the past 70 years and will remain "significantly higher" in the future as the challenges of climate change mount, a government official said.

www.reuters.com

Latin America and the Caribbean warming faster than global average

A report on the impacts of climate change in Latin America and the Caribbean has highlighted risks of drought, sea level rise and extreme heat.

www.yourweather.co.uk

By golly, you've blown the lid of this thing!

 

[orchard]

Hummmmm it just seems like everywhere is warming faster than everywhere else.

Loading…

www.washingtonpost.com

Infographic: Australia is Warming Faster than Global Average

This chart shows mean annual temperature anomaly in Australia and the world on the basis of the mean annual temperature between 1961 and 1990.

www.google.com

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: study

The U.S. West is heating up at nearly twice the rate of the rest of the world and is likely to face more drought conditions in many of its fast-growing cities, an environmental group said on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

Africa warming faster than rest of world: IPCC Sixth Assessment Report

Frequency and intensity of heavy precipitation events projected to increase across the continent

www.google.com

The Arctic is warming nearly four times faster than the rest of the world

The Earth is approximately 1.1℃ warmer than it was at the start of the industrial revolution. That warming has not been uniform, with some regions warming at a far greater pace. One such region is the Arctic.

www.google.com

China warns that its temperatures are rising faster than global average

China's average ground temperatures have risen much more quickly than the global average over the past 70 years and will remain "significantly higher" in the future as the challenges of climate change mount, a government official said.

www.reuters.com

Latin America and the Caribbean warming faster than global average

A report on the impacts of climate change in Latin America and the Caribbean has highlighted risks of drought, sea level rise and extreme heat.

www.yourweather.co.uk

It's almost like the whole place is warming.

 

[Tipp blue]

It's almost like the whole place is warming.

But everywhere is warming faster than everywhere else,.. how can Chinas warming be fastest in the world when Europe's warming is fastest in the world and how can that be true when south America is warming fastest in the world but then the Artic is warming fastest that can't be true North America is warming fastest hold on the Artic is warming fastest..
There is only 1 place that can be warming fastest not everywhere.

 

[Prevenger17]

It's almost like the whole place is warming.

Ha! Loads of places are warming faster than the global average! Checkmate, scientists!!!

 

[orchard]

But everywhere is warming faster than everywhere else,.. how can Chinas warming be fastest in the world when Europe's warming is fastest in the world and how can that be true when south America is warming fastest in the world but then the Artic is warming fastest that can't be true North America is warming fastest hold on the Artic is warming fastest..
There is only 1 place that can be warming fastest not everywhere.

I know, baffling, but some of the stuff you posted is a few years old, and may have been true at the time and additionally, when researchers are comparing data, i'm fairly sure they won't be able to compare their live data with chronologically simultaneous data from elsewhere, they'd have to use some assumed benchmark, and if most places are warming rapidly...

 

[Prevenger17]

But everywhere is warming faster than everywhere else,.. how can Chinas warming be fastest in the world when Europe's warming is fastest in the world and how can that be true when south America is warming fastest in the world but then the Artic is warming fastest that can't be true North America is warming fastest hold on the Artic is warming fastest..
There is only 1 place that can be warming fastest not everywhere.

Tipp mate, firstly welcome back. We missed your hilariiously dense and simplistic musings. Secondly, you posted 6 articles:

1. Two of those articles are countries warming faster than the global average. That doesn't mean they are warming the fastest.
2. One of the articles dates back to 2008. 15 years ago
3. The Arctic study is from a dataset over a period of 43 years, a presumably completely different set of scientific parameters from the other studies
4. The Australian one was from their own Bureau of Meteorology, again, probably conducted within a completely different set of scientific parameters
5. All them indicate exactly the same thing: Every country and their scientific community say the earth is warming at an abnormally fast rate and that humans are probably the cause of it.


So slapping these articles down as proof that there is no such thing as global warming is hilarious, cheers for the laugh

 

[Tipp blue]

Tipp mate, firstly welcome back. We missed your hilariiously dense and simplistic musings. Secondly, you posted 6 articles:

1. Two of those articles are countries warming faster than the global average. That doesn't mean they are warming the fastest.
2. One of the articles dates back to 2008. 15 years ago
3. The Arctic study is from a dataset over a period of 43 years, a presumably completely different set of scientific parameters from the other studies
4. The Australian one was from their own Bureau of Meteorology, again, probably conducted within a completely different set of scientific parameters
5. All them indicate exactly the same thing: Every country and their scientific community say the earth is warming at an abnormally fast rate and that humans are probably the cause of it.


So slapping these articles down as proof that there is no such thing as global warming is hilarious, cheers for the laugh

Where did I say there's no such thing as global warming? Just pointing out that everywhere can't be warming faster than everywhere else.

 

[orchard]

Where did I say there's no such thing as global warming? Just pointing out that everywhere can't be warming faster than everywhere else.

Who do you think will win mate?